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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2022, 07:51:23 AM »
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She thought they were showing her an old shirt.  Or maybe they were.

More nonsense.

I've seen you admit that Marina was shown a jacket.

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Re: Lame LN excuses
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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2022, 07:58:44 AM »
In LN clown world anything is possible:

No other jackets were inventoried by the DP so you must be referring to the two additional jackets mentioned by Whaley that where dumped on North Beckley, or?

Especially when your witness had a "very important reason to pay attention":

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.

"different clothing" -- ROFLMAO

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In LN clown world anything is possible:

Start with an insult, right on queue.

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ROFLMAO

And yet once again(YAWN) end with the oh so intelligent "rolling around the floor laughing" but the irony is you come across as a bitter little man who has yet to master the simple concept of a civil conversation, so you stay safe inside insulting the "enemy" on the internet. I can't possibly imagine what motivates a nobody like you to be such a Troll, does it give you a Woody?

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2022, 08:09:05 AM »

Especially when your witness had a "very important reason to pay attention":

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.


Again, more than half a dozen eyewitnesses are consistent and again you produce 1 eyewitness who has a slightly different recollection, Big Deal!
You do realize that her sister who saw the same man and said the jacket was light brown tan.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.[/b]

And the rest.....

Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.
Mr. BELIN - Did it have buttons or a zipper, or do you remember?
Mr. BENAVIDES - It seemed like it was a zipper-type jacket.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Was the jacket open or closed up?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open.

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a lithe sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mrs. ROBERTS. He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.


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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2022, 08:09:05 AM »


Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2022, 08:14:53 AM »
Far out, all I did was quote what Frazier said and you go totally ballistic.

Do you mean evidence from Marina?

No, Frazier said he saw Oswald wear a different grey jacket on more than one occasion and who knows how many jackets Oswald had acquired since moving away from Marina? There's a BIG difference between a woolen jacket and CE162.
Btw Marina does say it "seems" to be the same jacket, as obviously she had no special reason to pay attention whereas when Oswald killed Tippit the eyewitnesses had a very important reason to pay attention and the eyewitnesses at or close to the crime scene positively identified Oswald wearing a jacket while holding a revolver.

Mr. FRAZIER - To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.

Mrs. OSWALD. It seems he had that jacket, also.

That's a great analogy, Frazier remembered Oswald putting the Bag on the back seat of the car and btw Oswald told Fritz that he kept it on his lap. Frazier also remembered Oswald having the bag in his cupped hand and told the London Trial that the bag could have been out in front. Jerry Organ made a great graphic showing how Oswald possibly held the rifle.
So, like Frazier, Roberts didn't pay attention to minor details but seeing Oswald in different clothing and zipping up the jacket was an imprintable memory.

Besides Oswald's jacket was filmed at the Parking lot near to where Tippit was killed and shown on WFAATV later that day. Case Closed.



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Far out, all I did was quote what Frazier said and you go totally ballistic.

Nope, all you did was cherry pick what Frazier said and misrepresent it, as per usual.

Besides Oswald's jacket was filmed at the Parking lot near to where Tippit was killed and shown on WFAATV later that day. Case Closed.

Really? So you can prove that the jacket shown in that film belonged to Oswald? I seriously doubt it!

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2022, 08:18:20 AM »
Start with an insult, right on queue.

And yet once again(YAWN) end with the oh so intelligent "rolling around the floor laughing" but the irony is you come across as a bitter little man who has yet to master the simple concept of a civil conversation, so you stay safe inside insulting the "enemy" on the internet. I can't possibly imagine what motivates a nobody like you to be such a Troll, does it give you a Woody?

JohnM

And yet once again(YAWN) end with the oh so intelligent "rolling around the floor laughing" but the irony is you come across as a bitter little man who has yet to master the simple concept of a civil conversation, so you stay safe inside insulting the "enemy" on the internet. I can't possibly imagine what motivates a nobody like you to be such a Troll, does it give you a Woody?

It must be easy for you to recognize your own behavior, because you've just described yourself to a T.

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2022, 08:18:20 AM »


Offline John Mytton

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #125 on: April 12, 2022, 08:33:36 AM »
And yet once again(YAWN) end with the oh so intelligent "rolling around the floor laughing" but the irony is you come across as a bitter little man who has yet to master the simple concept of a civil conversation, so you stay safe inside insulting the "enemy" on the internet. I can't possibly imagine what motivates a nobody like you to be such a Troll, does it give you a Woody?

It must be easy for you to recognize your own behavior, because you've just described yourself to a T.

Is this Tag Team debating today?
I reply to Otto and Weidmann replies
I reply to Weidmann and Otto replies
I again reply to Otto and Weidmann replies?

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #126 on: April 12, 2022, 08:38:55 AM »
Two decades of "research"....

Yes thank you.

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #127 on: April 12, 2022, 08:54:52 AM »
I'd say Big Deal that your tan jacket Davis girl ran to the Patton side door when she was supposed to be at the front door with sis-in-law......

The first day affidavit's are very similar, are you suggesting that they couldn't get their stories straight?
Btw both women Positively Identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man they saw! Thumb1:

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Mrs. Virginia Davis, w/m/16 [sic], of 400 E. 10th WH-3-8120 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Today November 22, 1963 about 1:30 pm my sister-in-law and myself were lying down in our apartment. My sister-in-law is Jeanette Davis, we live in the same house in different apartments. We heard a shot and then another shot and ran to the side door at Patton Street. I saw the boy cutting across our yard and he was unloading his gun. We walked outside and a woman was hollering "he's dead, he's dead, he's shot". This woman told Jeanette to call the Police and she did [sic]. I saw the officer that had been shot lying on Tenth street after Jeanette had called the police. Jeanette found a empty shell [sic] that the man had unloaded and gave it to the police. After the Police had left I found a empty shell [sic] in our yard. This is the same shell I gave to Detective Dhority [sic]. The man that was unloading the gun was the same man I saw tonight as number 2 man in a line up.

/s/ Mrs. Virginia Davis

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Patsy Collins
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

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AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Barbara Jeanette Davis w/f/22, 400 E. 10th, WH3 8120. Bus: same who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Today November 22, 1963 shortly after 1:00 pm, my sister-in-law, Virginia Davis, and I were lying on the bed with the kids. I heard a shot and jumped up and heard another shot. I put on my shoes and went to the door and I saw this man walking across my front yard unloading a gun. A woman was standing across the street screaming that "he shot him, he killed him" and pointed towards a police car. That is the first time I noticed a police car there. I ran back in the house and called the operator and reported this to the police. When the police arrived Ishowed [sic] one of them where I saw this man emptying his gun and we found a shell. After the police had left I went back into the yard and Virginia found another shell which I turned over to the police. About 8:00 pm the same day, the police came after me and took me downtown to the city hall where I saw this man in a lineup. The #2 man in a 4-man lineup was the same man I saw in my yard, also the one that was unloading the gun.

/s/ Barbara Jeanette Davis

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas


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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #127 on: April 12, 2022, 08:54:52 AM »