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« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2018, 02:11:41 PM »
Harold W: Not a single word[is correct]... complete fabrication.

Harold Weisberg, former OSS/CIA intelligence operative, and a buddy of both the Dulles brothers. (Wonder how many people knew that?!?!) Foster was also a customer of Weisberg (Weisberg ran a large poultry farm literary on the site of the Pentagon).

A letter from Col.Fletcher Prouty to Harold Weisberg, dated 07/12/91

(Below -- the first letter: is to Prouty from Weisberg -- a reply to the 2nd letter from Prouty)
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2032.pdf

The 10th paragraph in the letter Prouty mentions how Weisberg knew both the Dulles brothers socially.



From another letter to Col.Prouty from Weisberg he mentions Foster Dulles' kitchen. about 4th paragraph in http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2038.pdf



Not found any Weisberg admission of knowing both Dulles brothers. But it's kind of strange to me that a JFK researcher would also be friendly with them. Some of Weisberg's other letters to various people, one by the name of 'Ed' they discuss Prouty, and his book The Secret Team. Weisberg had Prouty on the radar for a long time before he struck up a correspondence friendship -- just before the JFK movie came out. Prouty had worked on the film. Weisberg allegedly leaked the 1st draft of the JFK movie script to George Lardner of the Washington Post. The 1st draft Weisberg handed over was used to discredit the film. 

Weisberg talking to someone called Ed in 1973 about Prouty. Prouty's book had came out around the time, and he was doing to the rounds discussing the JFK assassination, and Daniel Ellsberg/Pentagon Papers on network TV.

Interesting Weisberg was keeping tabs on Prouty since the 70s http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2039.pdf



Wonder if Weisberg was also a buddy of Ed Lansdale. 



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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2018, 07:34:18 PM »
Delivering foul to the foulest. Guilty as charged. Hang him.
He was not a pheasant plucker... but sometimes in business you have to deal with some rather unpleasant people but just before leaving he always gave them the bird.
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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2018, 03:41:24 AM »
Harold Weisberg, former OSS/CIA intelligence operative, and a buddy of both the Dulles brothers. (Wonder how many people knew that?!?!) Foster was also a customer of Weisberg (Weisberg ran a large poultry farm literary on the site of the Pentagon).

A letter from Col.Fletcher Prouty to Harold Weisberg, dated 07/12/91

(Below -- the first letter: is to Prouty from Weisberg -- a reply to the 2nd letter from Prouty)
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2032.pdf

The 10th paragraph in the letter Prouty mentions how Weisberg knew both the Dulles brothers socially.



From another letter to Col.Prouty from Weisberg he mentions Foster Dulles' kitchen. about 4th paragraph in http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2038.pdf



Not found any Weisberg admission of knowing both Dulles brothers. But it's kind of strange to me that a JFK researcher would also be friendly with them. Some of Weisberg's other letters to various people, one by the name of 'Ed' they discuss Prouty, and his book The Secret Team. Weisberg had Prouty on the radar for a long time before he struck up a correspondence friendship -- just before the JFK movie came out. Prouty had worked on the film. Weisberg allegedly leaked the 1st draft of the JFK movie script to George Lardner of the Washington Post. The 1st draft Weisberg handed over was used to discredit the film. 

Weisberg talking to someone called Ed in 1973 about Prouty. Prouty's book had came out around the time, and he was doing to the rounds discussing the JFK assassination, and Daniel Ellsberg/Pentagon Papers on network TV.

Interesting Weisberg was keeping tabs on Prouty since the 70s http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2039.pdf



Wonder if Weisberg was also a buddy of Ed Lansdale.

All of that doesn't dispel the hokey story given about the killing of Officer Tippit that White relays.

As for Ed Lansdale? Let's see some proof.

Max Boot wrote a book on Lansdale, "The Road Not Taken":


Article on Max Boot and his book on Lansdale: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/max-boot-resurrects-the-lansdale-legend/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale

Really, some of what the CTs say is just slander. By the way, Boot mentions this briefly in the video.

Some real evidence is needed.

And Boot, I don't really agree with a lot of what he says but he is seen as a major columnist nowadays, born in Moscow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot

Nothing to tie Lansdale to the JFK assassination except some picture of the back of a guy's head. Watch the video and find out more about Lansdale and then, contemplate, could he have been indeed involved?

Tippit wasn't alone when he was shot?  Right. Also, there is an airport named after one of the Dulles', Washington DC; Lansdale was in the CIA and a higher up, I guess, at some point he must have known the Dulles'. Another so-what?
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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2018, 11:45:15 AM »
All of that doesn't dispel the hokey story given about the killing of Officer Tippit that White relays.

As for Ed Lansdale? Let's see some proof.

Max Boot wrote a book on Lansdale, "The Road Not Taken":


Article on Max Boot and his book on Lansdale: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/max-boot-resurrects-the-lansdale-legend/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale

Really, some of what the CTs say is just slander. By the way, Boot mentions this briefly in the video.

Some real evidence is needed.

And Boot, I don't really agree with a lot of what he says but he is seen as a major columnist nowadays, born in Moscow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot

Nothing to tie Lansdale to the JFK assassination except some picture of the back of a guy's head. Watch the video and find out more about Lansdale and then, contemplate, could he have been indeed involved?

Tippit wasn't alone when he was shot?  Right. Also, there is an airport named after one of the Dulles', Washington DC; Lansdale was in the CIA and a higher up, I guess, at some point he must have known the Dulles'. Another so-what?


at 1:33 of the video, above, a man asks the panel, including Fletcher Prouty, he asks ''I heard Mark Lane say, not only was George Bush director of the CIA, but as far back as 1963, and even beyond, he was a member of the CIA -- I would like any of the panelist to confirm what Mark Lane said based on what they know. And be specific." -- At which point John Judge chimes in with the story of the documents mentioning a George Bush of the CIA, one an FBI memo mentioning a G Bush of the CIA debriefing anti-Castro Cubans in Miami, the other document mentioned George Bush grassing on someone in the Republican party called Parrot. And lastly Judge mentions the ships used in the Bay Of Pigs raid, the ships, which he says directly link Bush to the CIA, due to the names of the ships - Zapata - Barbara - Houston.

Notice Col.Prouty doesn't say a word. In other instances, Prouty has revealed, during his role as the Chief of Clandestine Ops, he was the purchaser of those ships. That he supplied the CIA with the ships for the mission.

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To Jeff Orr

RE: The names of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs operation that were named for the BUSH family.

I was asked to locate three transport vessels to support the Bay of Pigs landing.I was able to get them and sent them to a U.S. Navy base in North Carolina where they were prepared for that operation. In the process they were painted and then given the names: HOUSTON, ZAPATA,and BARBABA. The name Houston was where Bush's business was. Zapata was trhe name of his oil company. Barbra was the name of his wife. Whoever selected those names certainly knew Geroge Bush in 1960.

L. Fletcher Prouty 

Here (below) is a reply from Col.Prouty to a question asked on his own website's letters section re Bush/CIA -- https://www.prouty.org/email.html


So of all the people in the room you might think, Col.Prouty, his role as CIA liaison officer at the Pentagon, Chief of special ops/Clandestine ops, he had knowledge of Bush being, whether real, or not,in the CIA prior to his role as Director in the mid 70s.

the Houston sinking



So why didn't Col.Prouty come forth with the information at this televised debate, but was forthcoming and open and honest on his website in the late 90s re his strange dealings with the CIA/possibly Bush.Why wasn't it deemed worthy of public knowledge then, when Bush Snr was a public servant still running for President. I can see there might have been deniability built into the mission and Prouty never knew of Bush Sr's involvement, but really, I doubt it. Prouty taught Bush Snr at Yale.

These, supposedly, ex CIA/OSS operatives, are tricky customers. They're always going to be loyal to the CIA/IC community, to their comrades. Always skirting with the truths, if asked a direct question, or like Prouty, prepared to keep their mouth shut when in position to shed light upon the situation at hand. Prouty was shown the Tramps photos by Sprague, he much later on revealed to immediately noticed Lansdale - he noticed it was Lansdale but said nothing to Sprague. Prouty told only two people connected with JFK research that he'd spotted Landale in the tramp photo, Mae Brussell, and Jim Garrison. Prouty waited until 1985 to send out the tramp photo to various people who knew Lansdale to ID him.The letter from Krulak identifying Lansdale is dated 1985, Lansdale died in 1987.



I've been following (not too creepily) Max Boot and what he's said about Lansdale. I noted he praised Gen.Krulak, but fails to mention Krulak also identified Lansdale from the tramp photo. Maybe he doesn't know?
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« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2018, 04:35:36 PM »
See, even before I came to this forum, I found a number of things Prouty said had been debunked. I read that elsewhere, even though MacAdams has his essays on it, why just cut and paste what MacAdams wrote?

I do know, just two Fridays ago, I heard Jesse Venture in an interview with 830 WCCO ( https://wccoradio.radio.com/ ) say, "well, the Bay of Pigs had a ship called the Barbara", http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm  But MacAdams writes, that ship was the "Barbara J.", Barbara Bush was Barbara Pierce, her wikipedia bio lists no middle name.  So, I know some of this has been covered. Ventura seems to be a good man as well. That is not to say, all of what he says is always conclusive.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush  WCCO archives many of their interviews but I do not know for how long.  Many radio stations archive but just for a short time. Jesse had a lot of things to say and on balance, I'd say good things.
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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2018, 04:56:48 PM »
Lansdale and his big class ring... on the left finger, okay, I'll give you that the pictures of him as an older man might have seen him remove it for some reason but I see just as much of a case for all photos put together, that there was not a conspicuously large class ring. Having said that, we need more pictures.

This one, the ring finger is not clearly visible but one can not see anything all the same.

Nothing to be seen here, one could argue that the ring finger of the left hand is visible but not the ring:

Click to enlarge.
With his Philippine sweetheart:

Love to see this big ring Prouty spoke of.
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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2018, 05:47:51 PM »

Love to see this big ring Prouty spoke of.

This is as good as I've got to seeing Lansdale wearing a 'big class ring' and it's pretty poor. I took a screenshot from Oliver Stones Untold History series. This flashed up on the screen and I spotted the ring. It's just about visible. I'd guess Lansdale is in his twenties in this pic.

 


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