Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?

[John Iacoletti]

Note slats...

I see the slats.  Can you see the car on the other side?

[John Iacoletti]

There was some great information on it and it's a loss that it's gone. Before finding this Forum I knew nothing about the case although I had heard of some of the theories suspecting conspiracies. I hadn't even heard of the Warren Commission. The archives allowed me to have a good look at what the doubters of the official narrative were saying, and pointed me in the right places for further reading.

What was it that convinced you that Oswald did it?

[Bill Chapman]

Which is not what she said here:

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.

LMR didn't see Lee open any door - she assumed that he did.

BIG difference to a direct observation JohnM.

Yo, BillC here.

Ah, yet another CT telling witnesses what they saw or didn't see. Are you and JohnI joined at the hip in some sort of twilight zone tag team?

"BIG difference to a direct observation JohnM"
Excuse me? Glances seem to be enough for you on another thread re JackD, who only glanced out at Oswald of the corner of his eye. You characters seem oblivious to your own contradictions.

Randle WC

Mr. BALL. Did you see him go to the car?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.
Mr. BALL. He put the package in the car.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I don't know if he put it on the seat or on the floor but I just know he put it in the back.

[Bill Chapman]

That's how witness statements are judged -- is the story corroborated.

Get up to speed.

Are you claiming Randle was alone in the kitchen at that point?

[Bill Brown]

A few observations.

LMR would not have seen LHO place anything anywhere - she guessed. Look at the angle of the slats on the car port.

Senator COOPER. When he placed the package in there do you remember whether he used one hand or two?
Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.

LMR obviously wasnt troubled or disturbed by Lee's actions that morning otherwise she would have asked her brother immediately rather than let him drive off with Lee and his suspicious long package.

LMR alerted the Detectives about what she saw lee do AFTER she heard about the events at the TSBD and VERY likely after she spoke with her brother who himself NEVER alerted the Police while he was at the TSBD after the assassination.

So how did LMR suddenly put two and two together AFTER the assassination event and not her brother?

The final possibility, and in my opinion very likely, was there was no paper bag at all - it was a story concocted by brother and sister to deflect any wrong doing by BWF and to direct all blame to LHO.

BWF obviously didn't know the length of the wooden stock of CE 139.

Marina stated that she thought Lee took his lunch in a small paper bag that morning.

LMR would not have seen LHO place anything anywhere - she guessed. Look at the angle of the slats on the car port.

I disagree.  From the door in the kitchen and looking across the carport, Linnie Mae Randle could have easily determined that Oswald opened the door and placed something (the bag) inside.

Marina stated that she thought Lee took his lunch in a small paper bag that morning.

Marina didn't even get out of bed until after Lee was gone.

[Bill Brown]

LMR didn't see LHO place anything into the car. She contradicted herself JohnM.

Lee never said he placed a package in the backseat of Buell's car.

The entire paper bag/curtain rod story rests with two people - brother (who drove in the accused assassin and who owned a rifle and ammunition himself) and sister (who pre-empted the suspicious long package before her brother did).

Some big red flags right there JohnM.

Let's suppose for a minute that Oswald did indeed carry a bag that contained only curtain rods.  You keep bringing up the point that the paper bag/curtain rod story rests only with two people, Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier.

Who else do you think should have known about the curtain rods besides those two, if Oswald did carry a bag and the bag really did contain curtain rods?

[Bill Brown]

JohnM,

I am highly suspicious of the entire bag/curtain rod story because it made no sense, apart from laying the blame squarely onto Lee. After the fact, LMR suddenly becomes "concerned" enough so that she (not her 19 yo brother who goes visiting his step-father at the hospital) goes to the Detectives at the Paines.

Mr. BALL. Did a Mrs. Randle come in the house also?
Mr. STOVALL. No. sir; she didn't. While we were loading this stuff into our car and into the sheriff's deputy's car, we were on the outside, and you know, going in and out, and she had stopped Adamcik and was talking to him and he came over and talked to me and went on back and talked to her and she said that her brother had taken Oswald to work that morning and she said that she had seen him put some kind of a package in the back seat of her brother's car. She told us it could have been a rifle is what she said. She said it was either in a brown paper box or wrapped in brown paper.

Whoops - hindsight is always 20:20 - a rifle? Yet she disclosed none of this to her brother before leaving with Lee?

Are you really comparing Randle's lack of mentioning the word "rifle" to her brother before he left for work that morning, BEFORE any shooting took place... with Randle telling law enforcement personnel (Stovall), AFTER the assassination of the President, that she saw Oswald place a package in the backseat of the car and mentioning the word "rifle"?

Really?

[Bill Brown]

The Detectives went to the Randles house with BWF and confiscated his rifle and ammunition. BWF was placed under arrest and Fritz wanted him to sign a confession as being a co-conspirator.

Have you ever heard this from anyone other than Frazier himself?