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Offline John Anderson

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2018, 11:43:16 AM »
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Actually Frazier did change his story. He went from 'I didn't pay too much attention' and estimating a rough size, to being adamant about the size. A nice guy he may well be but he has embellished his story. He didn't know Oswald contrary to what he says now.

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2018, 01:38:19 PM »

Actually Frazier did change his story. He went from 'I didn't pay too much attention' and estimating a rough size, to being adamant about the size. A nice guy he may well be but he has embellished his story. He didn't know Oswald contrary to what he says now.


Frazier has never identified the bag found at the TSBD as the bag he saw Oswald carry. Never!

He rejected that bag, at 11.30 PM on Friday evening 11/22/63, and has rejected it ever since.

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2018, 01:50:41 PM »
Actually Frazier did change his story. He went from 'I didn't pay too much attention' and estimating a rough size, to being adamant about the size. A nice guy he may well be but he has embellished his story. He didn't know Oswald contrary to what he says now.

Buell Frazier was just a nineteen year old kid, naive and honest....

He knew without any doubt that CE 142 was NOT the bag that he had seen Lee Oswald carry that rainy morning.

It's a simple as that.....Lee could not have transported that carcano in the bag that Frazier saw.

It's always been a mystery to me WHY the DPD was so insistent in saying that Lee had transported that rifle in a paper sack that morning.....???   WHY????

If it was Lee Oswald's rifle ....why were they desperate to make it appear that he had brought it into the building that morning?     There's no reason that he couldn't have brought it into the building at some prior time.

Lee knew how to get around the area by using public transportation....He could have gone to the Paine's garage late at night and took the rifle and then smuggled it into the TSBD prior to 11/22/63....but the DPD was adamant that he had transported the rifle in Frazier's car that morning.   WHY?

I strongly suspect that Lee inadvertently screwed up their plans to frame him by going to Irving on Thursday.   The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen  ( this) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday" 

That statement put the rifle in the building 48 hours before the murder.....   And in the hands of Mr Roy Truly.

They simply could not allow that information to become public....Thus they were desperate to make it appear that Lee had carried the rifle into the building that morning.






   

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2018, 12:04:52 AM »
On Day 1 Frazier told them exactly what kind of bag he had seen and that it wasn't the one they had found at the TSBD.

Only months later, when he testified, did Frazier say that he had not been paying much attention.... He was probably just sick and tired of all those idiots that did not want to believe him simply because what he said did not fit their pathetic narrative

The fact remains that from day 1 until this day Frazier has never changed his story that the TSBD was not the one he had seen!


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Only months later, when he testified, did Frazier say that he had not been paying much attention....

Well now, you are wrong about this.  Aren't you?

Therefore, your entire point in the above post is completely invalid.

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2018, 12:08:38 AM »
Buell Frazier was just a nineteen year old kid, naive and honest....

He knew without any doubt that CE 142 was NOT the bag that he had seen Lee Oswald carry that rainy morning.

It's a simple as that.....Lee could not have transported that carcano in the bag that Frazier saw.

It's always been a mystery to me WHY the DPD was so insistent in saying that Lee had transported that rifle in a paper sack that morning.....???   WHY????

If it was Lee Oswald's rifle ....why were they desperate to make it appear that he had brought it into the building that morning?     There's no reason that he couldn't have brought it into the building at some prior time.

Lee knew how to get around the area by using public transportation....He could have gone to the Paine's garage late at night and took the rifle and then smuggled it into the TSBD prior to 11/22/63....but the DPD was adamant that he had transported the rifle in Frazier's car that morning.   WHY?

I strongly suspect that Lee inadvertently screwed up their plans to frame him by going to Irving on Thursday.   The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen  ( this) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday" 

That statement put the rifle in the building 48 hours before the murder.....   And in the hands of Mr Roy Truly.

They simply could not allow that information to become public....Thus they were desperate to make it appear that Lee had carried the rifle into the building that morning.


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The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen  ( this) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday"

That is not even close to what was said.  You've grossly twisted and misquoted.
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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2018, 12:17:27 AM »

  The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen  ( this) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday" 

That statement put the rifle in the building 48 hours before the murder.....   And in the hands of Mr Roy Truly.
 


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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2018, 07:32:11 AM »
maybe someone could explain how Oswald could carry the package at the top with just one hand, with full weight off the ground, and not leave a palm print on that end of package?

And then when placing package on back seat of Fraziers car,. how did Oswald manage only to leave 1 single small finger print at top of package.

And then when Oswald reached for the package to take it from the back seat, how he managed not to leave any more prints other than just the one small finger print at the top, before he finally started to carry the package in palm of his right hand and under his armpit later?

And then Oswald took the package thru the door, and then placed the package down somewhere, didn't leave any other prints but the one small finger print at top and a palm print at bottom

And when Oswald was getting the paper from TSBD, guess he was wearing gloves? Didn't leave any other prints from taking the paper from the roll, or folding up the paper to put into his jacket to take home, or unfolding later, or while actually making it.

Any fingerprints on the tape that he had to remove from the TSBD tape roll dispenser, (without getting tape wet  ::), or waiting for it to dry?

As to the thread question: Why is taking something straight to a car 1st  right there on the side of the garage, , of any significance, or suggestive of something nefarious, when the APPROACH to that car was NOT from behind, but IN FRONT OF the house, so obviously NOT a path that someone with nefarious intent, would have taken.
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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2018, 02:17:44 PM »

That is not even close to what was said.  You've grossly twisted and misquoted.

 The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen 

(This) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday" 

Here 's the exact quote that FBI Agent James Hosty jotted down during the interrogation of Lee Oswald at 3:15 pm that afternoon....." Day before yesterday Mr Truly had rifle and two others first floor outside office."

At 3:15 Lt JC Day has just brought the carcano in from the TSBD.....  They displayed the rifle to Lee and asked him if he'd ever seen it before. ( A routine procedure to watch the reaction of a suspect when he is shown the weapon) 

Lee replied...."Yes, I saw this rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday." 



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