Was the Stemmons Freeway sign removed?

[Royell Storing]

You're Greer and Kellerman. You've just been shot at, but you don't know from where or by whom. You know that someone in the car has been critically wounded. Would you stop? I can see them slowing down, especially in order to navigate the turn on the on-ramp, but I can't see them stopping. It's worth remembering that Brown
also told the WC that he thought the limo stopped on Elm.

     Knowing for a Fact that the SS had an AR-15 locked and loaded on the floorboard of the Queen Mary, do you really believe, (1) Should the POTUS come under fire that his only protection inside the JFK Limo would be the Service Revolvers of SA Greer and ASAIC Kellerman?, (2) Should the POTUS come under fire & the Limo and the Queen Mary become separated that the Only weapons available to return fire and protect the POTUS would be the service revolvers of SA Greer & ASAIC Kellerman? and (3) Should the POTUS come under fire that there would Not be a SS Protocol for the SS Agents in the motorcade to adhere to?  It is a common military practice when under surprise enemy attack/fire that when possible to Regroup and Reaccess your current position and possible options going forward. ALL of this would require a brief STOP. This is what unfolded West of the Triple Underpass BEFORE the Limo boarded the actual Stemmons Fwy.

[Mitch Todd]

They didn't know how to get to the hospital. Better to wait 30-seconds (lead car catches up, the driver (or Kellerman) tells Curry he needs an escort to the hospital and Curry gets in the lead) than potentially spending two-or-three minutes driving around not knowing where to go. The lead car and motorcycles will also better open up traffic should any be encountered.

Brown mistook a "stop" on Elm for the brief slowing down captured on Zapruder and Nix.

The Secret Service had their own radios in both the limo and and in Lawson's lap in the lead car. As Kellerman wrote in his report, "I yelled at William Greer (the driver) to 'Step on it, we're hit!' and grabbed the mike from the car radio, called to SA Lawson in the police lead car that we were hit and to get us to a hospital." Lawson's report confirms Kellerman's: "I heard a report over the two-way radio that we should proceed to the nearest hospital." All that would need to happen after that was for the lead car to live up to it's name and lead them to Parkland. Given that ss100x had passed the lead car by the time it left Elm, they would have had to have slowed down to allow the the lead car to resume it's proper position, but it wouldn't require stopping. The limo wasn't that far ahead, and it definitely wasn't 30 seconds ahead.

[Mitch Todd]

     Knowing for a Fact that the SS had an AR-15 locked and loaded on the floorboard of the Queen Mary, do you really believe, (1) Should the POTUS come under fire that his only protection inside the JFK Limo would be the Service Revolvers of SA Greer and ASAIC Kellerman?, (2) Should the POTUS come under fire & the Limo and the Queen Mary become separated that the Only weapons available to return fire and protect the POTUS would be the service revolvers of SA Greer & ASAIC Kellerman? and (3) Should the POTUS come under fire that there would Not be a SS Protocol for the SS Agents in the motorcade to adhere to?  It is a common military practice when under surprise enemy attack/fire that when possible to Regroup and Reaccess your current position and possible options going forward. ALL of this would require a brief STOP. This is what unfolded West of the Triple Underpass BEFORE the Limo boarded the actual Stemmons Fwy.

This was a protective detail, not an infantry platoon. And they had enough agents in place in the limo to figure out what was going on even with someone driving, and radios to keep them in touch with other key players in the motorcade. For that matter, the blood, CSF, and brain matter that pelted Greer, Kellerman, and the windshield would have been an obvious indicator that someone was badly hurt, even without Hill in the back to advise. For reference, once Ronald Reagan was in the limo after Hinckley shot him, the limo didn't stop until it reached the hospital, even though the agents covering RR didn't at first realize he'd been shot, and diverted from the original destination (the White House) to GWU hospital.

[Royell Storing]

This was a protective detail, not an infantry platoon. And they had enough agents in place in the limo to figure out what was going on even with someone driving, and radios to keep them in touch with other key players in the motorcade. For that matter, the blood, CSF, and brain matter that pelted Greer, Kellerman, and the windshield would have been an obvious indicator that someone was badly hurt, even without Hill in the back to advise. For reference, once Ronald Reagan was in the limo after Hinckley shot him, the limo didn't stop until it reached the hospital, even though the agents covering RR didn't at first realize he'd been shot, and diverted from the original destination (the White House) to GWU hospital.

      If you are going to define SA Greer and ASAIC Kellerman as a "protective detail", and Greer was pre-occupied with actually driving the Limo, then it would be Ludicrous to believe that All the SS had in place to protect the POTUS was Roy Kellerman's side arm.

[Royell Storing]

1. and 2. are plain silly. 3. The protocol in place didn't cover this type of attack. According to Brown, the limousine did briefly stop on the ramp. Curry explained it being necessary because the out-of-towners SS didn't know (or was unsure) how to proceed to the hospital.

The Commission recommended changes in how the SS was to operate. Just after the assassination, the limousine's "Quick Fix" addressed the vehicle's lack of protection. Something must be working right; no President has been assassinated since.

   None of us has Any idea as to SS "protocol in place" in 1963 whenever the POTUS might be actively under fire. Deflate your chest and return to Earth.

[Royell Storing]

If the SS in 1961-63 had a twin-car of the SS-100-X, and in training they were racing it around a mock street layout pretending there's a hidden sniper or two firing at them, then you might have a case that they should have been prepared for what happened in Dallas.

     For you to believe there was No SS Protocol for action whenever the POTUS might come under fire is naivete. With the Miami and Chicago scares freshly in the SS rear view mirror this further presents a challenge to Your common sense.

[Mitch Todd]

      If you are going to define SA Greer and ASAIC Kellerman as a "protective detail", and Greer was pre-occupied with actually driving the Limo, then it would be Ludicrous to believe that All the SS had in place to protect the POTUS was Roy Kellerman's side arm.

I thought this was ultimately about whether the limo stopped West of the triple overpass? How it's about whether Kellerman could fire back. For the record, I will state that the motorcade's first line of defense is its mobility, not it's firepower. That's apparent in the Reagan assassination attempt, for reference.

BTW: Greer, Kellerman, and the guys in the Queen Mary were the protective detail. 

[Royell Storing]

I thought this was ultimately about whether the limo stopped West of the triple overpass? How it's about whether Kellerman could fire back. For the record, I will state that the motorcade's first line of defense is its mobility, not it's firepower. That's apparent in the Reagan assassination attempt, for reference.

BTW: Greer, Kellerman, and the guys in the Queen Mary were the protective detail.

     You came Late to the party. Almost everybody here believes the Limo Stopped West of the Triple Underpass. The question is: (1) Exactly Where, (2) Why (Primary Purpose)  (3) Did the Chaney/Lead Car Event also occur during this Limo Stop.