Did LHO know how to drive? Does it matter?

[Rob Caprio]

You have had 50+ plus years to have made that decision with the benefit of hindsight.  Baker was making decisions on the fly.  He ran into a building, encountered a guy in the lunch room who was vouched for as an employee, and made the understandable decision in that moment to move on to the upper floors where the shots came from.  There was no other patrolman to instruct to detain Oswald even if he had any cause to do so.

But why did Baker pull a gun on LHO? Why didn't he pull a gun on anyone else in the TSBD? What was so suspicious about standing in a lunchroom near a vending machine on the second floor?

[Rob Caprio]

From what I've read, the courts have long held that in "exigent" or emergency situations that people's Fourth Amendment rights against illegal searches and seizures can be suspended.

This is clearly for me one of those instances. Was Baker supposed to get a search warrant? Stop and ask Oswald questions?

Although who knows what the Oswald defenders will say in response. It's always a crapshoot.

But why LHO? What made him stand out in a second floor lunchroom? Why did no one else warrant Baker's attention like this inside the TSBD?

[Rob Caprio]

As soon as Oswald punched McDonald in the face, Oswald had committed a crime.

JohnM

Not if he was hit first without probable cause. Under those circumstances he would be defending himself.

[Rob Caprio]

Since you live in Kookland you don't understand that Saint Patsy wasn't 'illegally' stopped and was very lucky he only got his face caved in while trying to 'defend' himself.

Says the guy who lives in "Geheime Staatspolizei" land.

[Rob Caprio]

How does this amateur bait and switch obsession of you, Weidmann and even Iacoletti has mentioned that I live in Australia wll in any way change 54 year old facts? If you all had a strong case then you'd deal with the evidence instead of this bizarre tactic.

Says the guy who uses bizarre tactics constantly because he has NO supporting evidence.

For no reason at all Oswald punched a cop and was arrested, that's the fact Jack!

Since it is a fact according to you then you must irrefutable evidence for this claim, right? Well?

The evidence says that there was men with shotguns in the theater, so I'd say Oswald would have to be aware, which makes his actions even stranger.

Exactly. We are asked to believe that LHO would assault a police officer when other police officers had guns and could have shot him down. Sure.

Didn't McDonald only say he had his hand on his weapon? But let's just say that your interpretation was correct and McDonald did have a gun out, then Oswald's behaviour was even more strange and would be considered suicidal and this would not be the first time, like slashing his wrist in Russia and the Walker note where he speculates he could be shot while being arrested. Oswald was ready for death!

There was hundreds of police officers on duty that day and you're saying that only a tiny fraction went to the theater, that's weird, there should have been a lot more.

JohnM

Quote him saying what you claim. Exactly. The official story makes no sense.

[Rob Caprio]

Geez Louise, talk about taking a comment completely out of context, but I guess when you got nothing these dirty tricks become common place, no wonder you are known as "dishonest John".

But getting back to the topic at hand which you seem loathe to discuss, McDonald and according to Rob, 15 police officers went to the Texas theater looking for a Cop Killer and McDonald confronted the man who was viewed acting suspiciously, had a concealed weapon(which incidentally was later matched to the shells at the Tippit crime scene) and for his efforts to protect the public McDonald was punched in the face.

JohnM

I never said that LHO had a concealed weapon. Based on the evidence I don't think he had any gun.

[Rob Caprio]

That's right, John... "technical nonsense" for sure.

Whether or not McDonald was out of line when he laid his hand on Oswald means absolutely nothing.

It means something to the law. What kind of country do you think this is?

[Rob Caprio]

Not really?nothing like the suffering of the victims and the families.

The second amendment doesn?t even say that everybody has the right to own weapons, but rather that they should be held by a well-regulated militia.

Doubt it.

That is sad, but since the vast majority of Americans had nothing to do with it, why should they lose their right to bear arms?

Study every country that has outlawed guns and see what happens. Criminals will always have guns. The police and military will have guns. Only the law abiding people will not have any way to protect themselves.