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Offline Lee Wotton

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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
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However, George H W Bush is about the only person of his generation who can't remember where he was when JFK was killed.  Nixon is almost as bad but he just claims he got confused with the times and time differences when he flew out of Dallas on 11/22 soon after JFK was killed.

GHWB then panicked and phoned in a stupid alibi trying to implicate someone else in the murder!!

GHWB was in the DalTex building that day under CIA cover as Texas Oilman.

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2018, 07:44:11 PM »
Room 2422.

However, George H W Bush is about the only person of his generation who can't remember where he was when JFK was killed.  Nixon is almost as bad but he just claims he got confused with the times and time differences when he flew out of Dallas on 11/22 soon after JFK was killed.

GHWB then panicked and phoned in a stupid alibi trying to implicate someone else in the murder!!

GHWB was in the DalTex building that day under CIA cover as Texas Oilman.

(BTW, Lee, do not preach to "the choir" (ME). Just try to get everything right, every time, in every post. 
http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861370
Tom S. March 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm
http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861415
Tom S.  March 6, 2016 at 8:29 am )

Bush has plenty to answer for, an albatross around his neck/legacy, but the evidence is what it is; in this and in every instance.:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vhlspy2QK_4J:https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D14959.7+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ua&client=opera

Source of image directly above: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v5M6NvpAmk4/Umg7QKYxFaI/AAAAAAAAwG0/22JF5BgX8aE/s3000-h/November-22-1963-Book-Back-Cover.jpg
....And:
« Last Edit: January 18, 2018, 08:17:57 PM by Tom Scully »

Offline Lee Wotton

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2018, 08:53:25 PM »
(BTW, Lee, do not preach to "the choir" (ME). Just try to get everything right, every time, in every post. 
http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861370
Tom S. March 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm
http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861415
Tom S.  March 6, 2016 at 8:29 am )

Bush has plenty to answer for, an albatross around his neck/legacy, but the evidence is what it is; in this and in every instance.:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vhlspy2QK_4J:https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D14959.7+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ua&client=opera

Source of image directly above: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v5M6NvpAmk4/Umg7QKYxFaI/AAAAAAAAwG0/22JF5BgX8aE/s3000-h/November-22-1963-Book-Back-Cover.jpg
....And:

And Tom please don't be such a patronising, condescending bore.

No one on hear knows exactly what happened or indeed if evidence they post is true.  The only thing we do know is that it was a conspiracy.  The rest is hypothesis.  Some good quality, some not so good.  You can't reliably prove your posts are any more accurate than anyone else's.  Despite the reams and reams you post about your 7th cousin's friend's cat owner who once was in the same state as Bob's uncle.  Quantity and complexity does not beat the simple facts and truths.

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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2018, 09:16:24 PM »
Okay, before I play taps over my theory I would like some type of clarification
which maybe, Steve or Tom or Bill or anyone can provide.

A Love Field car is associated with well, Love Field and anything
connected with it.  We know by the radio relays that a Love Field car
had something to do with SS agents, 30's station wagon and the Sheraton.

According to Bill Brown, Rybka and Lawton ate lunch in a restaurant
at Love Field and they never left Love Field.  If they did and went to
the Sheraton the SS command center then a Love Field car would have brought
them there and back.  In that case, there would have been no need for a station wagon at all.
Unless 30's station wagon was at Love Field to begin with, and Rybka and Lawton,
wanted to go for a drive with the Love Field car leading the way..  This makes no sense.

If the SS agents were those who were waiting at the Trade Mart and they were brought
by 30's station wagon (assuming it was a DPD car) then the cop who drove them there, would
have driven them or, some of them, to the Sheraton.  There would be no need for a Love Field car. 
If the 30's station wagon was an SS vehicle and they got there without a Love Field car then
they could have gone back without a Love Field car.

If the SS agents were from another city or district and they didn't know their way to
the Sheraton, the command center, then why a Love Field car to lead them there?

I have a headache.  Any answers would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2018, 09:49:45 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

Offline Tom Scully

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2018, 03:19:44 AM »
Dan, I shared a page image of and link to CE 1974.
If you saw the description in it of the name of the DPD
Sgt. and the 30?s station wagon before you settled on your
theory, how might have that description influenced the
development of your theory? I think I read your association
with that station wagon included in a transcript of DPD radio
calls with a claim of Roger Craig.

Now you seem to be asking a reverse engineering question.
There is little to trigger suspicion related to a DPD officer assigned
to Love Field SS detail switchng from unit 39 to the station wagon,
30?s.
The SS of 1963 was a national agency of about 300 also tasked
with counterfeiting investigations. IOW, it protected the president
and the currency. The presidential limo and its predecessor named
Queen Mary were transported ahead of AF-1 by military air
transport. Sorrels was resident SS agent in Dallas, a one man
office.

Unless you are a Caprio or Lee Worrels, self exempted from
considering or supplying relevant or supporting evidence,
please weigh the details in CE 1974 related to the station wagon
linked to the DPD Sgt and share how you might impeach what
the exhibit says. Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.

Or, not.... and dwell in a Caprio alternate
universe.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 03:39:55 AM by Tom Scully »

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Offline Steve Thomas

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2018, 10:37:57 AM »

Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.
Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas


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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2018, 12:56:44 PM »
......
.....Go further down the page.

And (Ask) 139 to meet me at the entrance to Love Field   I have additional cars to route out there.

You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with some Secret Service men.

Here again ... Notice the Love Field Car cannot assist what presumably is going to be the
motorcade group to head back to Love Field after they leave Parkland Hospital.  And, why is that?
Because he's going downtown with some Secret Service men.  And, if suspects in a station wagon
were arrested at Redbird then someone outside of the suspects would be driving the station wagon.

Btw ... the station wagon is the same one noticed by Craig and others
and to me,.anyway ....  all suspects involved in JFK's murder were captured that day.

Dan, I shared a page image of and link to CE 1974.
If you saw the description in it of the name of the DPD
Sgt. and the 30?s station wagon before you settled on your
theory, how might have that description influenced the
development of your theory? I think I read your association
with that station wagon included in a transcript of DPD radio
calls with a claim of Roger Craig.

Now you seem to be asking a reverse engineering question.
There is little to trigger suspicion related to a DPD officer assigned
to Love Field SS detail switchng from unit 39 to the station wagon,
30?s.
The SS of 1963 was a national agency of about 300 also tasked
with counterfeiting investigations. IOW, it protected the president
and the currency. The presidential limo and its predecessor named
Queen Mary were transported ahead of AF-1 by military air
transport. Sorrels was resident SS agent in Dallas, a one man
office.

Unless you are a Caprio or Lee Worrels, self exempted from
considering or supplying relevant or supporting evidence,
please weigh the details in CE 1974 related to the station wagon
linked to the DPD Sgt and share how you might impeach what
the exhibit says. Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.

Or, not.... and dwell in a Caprio alternate
universe.

Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas

Steve, I appreciate your details correcting the errors I made in my last post.

I had studied the career assignments of Sorrels and of John Rice and it has stuck in my mind that the pre-assassination
staff of the SS was small and spread pretty thin. The article below is dated 4 April, 1963. The details you posted helped
remind me that I had read about Robert Steuart and Elmer Moore working out of the Dallas office. There was also a Fort
Worth based SS agent, Mike Howard.

I was coming from an assumption that SS also had an agent in El Paso and I assume also in Austin, Houston, and San Antonio
and if there were just six SS agents, on average, based in each state, there would be almost nobody available to staff the presidential
protection detail.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 01:11:07 PM by Tom Scully »

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2018, 01:43:35 PM »
Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas

Hey, Steve.  This SS Warner wouldn't be the same Special Agent Warner
who compiled the Radio Traffic Transcripts I was using ... would it?
Please see links.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-047.gif
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-082.gif

Does the saga continue?
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 01:58:00 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

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