My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.

[Steve Thomas]

Steve, I found what Sylvia Meagher had to say on that area of interest after you posted some of the SS
names in the Dallas office. Reading on, below this image and into the next page, I was surprised at how
unrestrained she was about speculation she was willing to share publicly. But that was in a different time.

Tom,

I have the utmost respect for Sylvia Meagher, but I'd have to disagree with her here.

In a February 15, 1999 article entitled ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places?, author Vince Palamara quotes an article by reporter Earl Golz in the August 27, 1978 issue of the Dallas Morning News. In his article, Golz wrote that one Dallas Secret Service Agent named Elmer Moore did not submit a report, that he was in San Francisco and did not return to Dallas to join the investigation until a week later. Vince Palamara then went on to say that two other agents did not submit a written report: James H. ?Mike? Howard and Charles Kunkel. Palamara wrote, ?For his part, Howard claimed in a lecture in February 1999 that he was at the Hotel Texas (in Fort Worth) cleaning up when the shooting occurred and that Kunkel was in Washington, D.C on an unspecified investigation at the time. Howard and Kunkel's whereabouts remain unverified.?68.

68. Palamara, Vince. ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places.? 2/15/99, As cited in the Kennedy Assassination Homepage, 1995-2002 by John McAdams, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm


If Charles Kunkel was indeed on an ?unspecified assignment in Washington, D.C.?, there is the question of when he returned to Dallas. We know from the testimony of Mr. James Herbert Martin, who has acted as the business manager of Mrs. Marina Oswald and at the time was Resident Manager of the Six Flags Inn, that James Howard and Charles Kunkel were the Secret Service Agents who arranged for the Oswald family to stay at the motel.?73. Was Charles E. Kunkel the ?Secret Service man? who needed a ride from Love Field to downtown Dallas at 12:38PM as recorded in the transcripts of the Dallas Police radio log? Was he also on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository when the rifle was found at 1:22PM? Was he present at Oswald's interrogation at 2:20PM?

73. Testimony of James Herbert Martin. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume I, p. 472, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol1_0242b.htm

Forrest Sorrels never went up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, and left with Zapruder to get his film developed, so he wasn't at police headquarters at 2:20. He told the WC that he got to police headquarters at 2:00 PM, but Hosty told the WC that it Sorrels didn't get there until around 6:00 PM.

Steve Thomas

[Lee Wotton]

Tom,

I have the utmost respect for Sylvia Meagher, but I'd have to disagree with her here.

In a February 15, 1999 article entitled ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places?, author Vince Palamara quotes an article by reporter Earl Golz in the August 27, 1978 issue of the Dallas Morning News. In his article, Golz wrote that one Dallas Secret Service Agent named Elmer Moore did not submit a report, that he was in San Francisco and did not return to Dallas to join the investigation until a week later. Vince Palamara then went on to say that two other agents did not submit a written report: James H. ?Mike? Howard and Charles Kunkel. Palamara wrote, ?For his part, Howard claimed in a lecture in February 1999 that he was at the Hotel Texas (in Fort Worth) cleaning up when the shooting occurred and that Kunkel was in Washington, D.C on an unspecified investigation at the time. Howard and Kunkel's whereabouts remain unverified.?68.

68. Palamara, Vince. ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places.? 2/15/99, As cited in the Kennedy Assassination Homepage, 1995-2002 by John McAdams, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm


If Charles Kunkel was indeed on an ?unspecified assignment in Washington, D.C.?, there is the question of when he returned to Dallas. We know from the testimony of Mr. James Herbert Martin, who has acted as the business manager of Mrs. Marina Oswald and at the time was Resident Manager of the Six Flags Inn, that James Howard and Charles Kunkel were the Secret Service Agents who arranged for the Oswald family to stay at the motel.?73. Was Charles E. Kunkel the ?Secret Service man? who needed a ride from Love Field to downtown Dallas at 12:38PM as recorded in the transcripts of the Dallas Police radio log? Was he also on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository when the rifle was found at 1:22PM? Was he present at Oswald's interrogation at 2:20PM?

73. Testimony of James Herbert Martin. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume I, p. 472, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol1_0242b.htm

Forrest Sorrels never went up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, and left with Zapruder to get his film developed, so he wasn't at police headquarters at 2:20. He told the WC that he got to police headquarters at 2:00 PM, but Hosty told the WC that it Sorrels didn't get there until around 6:00 PM.

Steve Thomas

Dan, Steve,

According to Fletcher L Prouty the SS man at LHO's initial interrogation at DPD was a man named Charlie.  I class FLP as a credible witness / source so I would say it was Charlie Kunkel who was on an "unspecified investigation in Washington"

[Dan DAlimonte]

Dan,

Yep. One and the same. Like I said, each one of these guys had their own part to play.
Howard and Kunkel babysitting Marina at the Six Flags.
Patterson working with Ellworth on the Miller and Whitter National Guard Armory theft.
Roger Warner doing his thing.
Six or seven of them went with Forrest Sorrels when he took Howard Brennan in to identify Oswald in the lineup. What a bummer it must have been when he brought Brennan out and had to tell them that Brennan had "failed to identify".

Steve Thomas

Second different response to this quote.  So if Warner brought the two SS agents to lunch
at Love Field then could one assume 30's station wagon designated for use by the SS was
indeed at Love Field?  And ... if a bulletin regarding Kennedy did go over the airwaves either Warner
and/or a combination of Lawton an Rybka could have assisted the police concerning an arrest at Redbird?
And again, if Warner was in charge of documenting the Radio Relays and that arrest was NOT to be connected to the official story then maybe a misplaced page in the transcripts would be warranted?
ie Page 31 not appearing in front of Page 32 which cited the arrest or the transfer of persons to the downtown jail.

[Dan DAlimonte]

Hi Dan, I remember that Ferrie and a couple of associates were at an ice skating rink somewhere and Ferrie was constantly on the pay phone on 11/22.  It is believed he was tracking progress of the assassins escape from Redbird to an airport near where Ferrie was so that he could fly them out of the country.  However, the plan didn't go how it was supposed to so Ferrie didn't have anything to do that day.  This may indicate that the assassins did indeed get arrested at or on the way to Redbird.  Maybe the FBI knew the plane and tipped off the DPD?  Hoover had to cover things up due to the FBI's knowledge of LHO but he still hated the CIA and tried every way he could to push the suspicion towards the CIA.

Tosh Plumley claimed that he flew a CIA plane to Dallas on the morning of 11/22 but due to weather had to land somewhere near.  I can't recall if this was Redbird or not but someone on here will recall it.  Plumley claims he was flying in members of an abort team that included Johnny Roselli!!

I'm sure their arrest was covered up just like the tramps, GHWB and Loren Hall that day.  Maybe Jim Braden too.

Hey, Lee.  I've heard all those stories before but I'm not sure if all of it could have happened
and then covered up.  Right now, like I said earlier, it's Redbird and possibly an arrest there
that concerns me.  Ferrie, to me, seems like he was bright enough to stay away from
the whole thing.  Some even claim he was in the Plaza that day.  I don't know but I think
the ice rink story makes far more sense.

[Steve Thomas]

Dan, Steve,

According to Fletcher L Prouty the SS man at LHO's initial interrogation at DPD was a man named Charlie.  I class FLP as a credible witness / source so I would say it was Charlie Kunkel who was on an "unspecified investigation in Washington"

Lee,

On the afternoon of November 22nd, Detective James Leavelle was spearheading the investigation of Oswald for the murder of Officer J.D. Tippit. On April 7, 1964 he testified to the Warren Commission that he had gone to the Texas Theater, but because of the heavy traffic, had arrived too late to participate in Oswald?s arrest. He then went back to the police station and took affidavits from witnesses. ?So, I proceeded back to the office to work on that end of it, checking with the captain, and they was tied up with the Presidential assassination, and not until we got there did I realize some few minutes later on, when talking to some of the people of the Texas Book Depository, did we realize Oswald could very well be the same one who assassinated the President.?(69).

The minute that connection was made, the focus of the investigation changed. Will Fritz wanted Oswald in his office right then. FBI agents were called in and if six members of the Dallas Police Department can be believed, at least one Secret Service Agent whose identity has remained a secret ever since November 22, 1963. I believe that Agent is Charles Kunkel, the one Agent whose whereabouts on November 22nd can?t be confirmed. Policemen are proud of their collars and even after 35 years the idea of having one taken away from you still rankles. On the 35th anniversary of the assassination, the Texas Monthly magazine did an interview with several people who were witnesses to the events of November 22nd. One of the interviewees was Detective Jim Leavelle. During the conversation, he had this to say, ?I talked to him, yeah, about 10, maybe 15 minutes one-on-one before Captain Fritz and the other officers came back from the book depository, preparatory to going look for him, and found out he was already there. When the Captain came in and asked me what his name was, and I told him, he asked me where he worked, and he said the book depository, he said, 'You're the one I want to talk to.' So, in essence, they took my prisoner away. I lost my prisoner. He and Chief Charles of the Secret Service.?(70).

Why Leavelle would have referred to him as ?Chief? Charles is a mystery, and we can?t ask Kunkel because he passed away on June 27, 1992. When I asked James Leavelle why he referred to this person as Chief Charles in the article, former Detective Leavelle answered, ?I did not say Charles, I said ?Sorrels, Chief of the S.S.?.?(71). I asked the author of the article, Joe Patoski if he had recorded the interview. He wrote me and said that he had not recorded the interview. He used notes and was unsure where those notes were now.(72). So, is this an error in transcription? We?ll probably never know.

In a July 9, 1992 article, the Cross Plains Review said that Charles Kunkel went on to become the Special Agent-in-Charge of the Austin Office, where he retired in 1982. (73). By James Levealle's reasoning, Charles Kunkel would also be called ?Chief? Charles.

69. Testimony of James R. Leavelle. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 262, as cited in the History Matters Archive http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0135b.htm
70. Patoski, Joe Nick. ?What They Saw Then: Unedited Transcripts?, Texas Monthly, November, 1998. as cited in:
http://web.archive.o...anscripts.1.php
71. Email from Detective James Leavelle, retired. February 28, 2003.
72. Email from Joe Nick Patoski. March 3, 2003.
73. Texas Tech University Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library
Cross Plains Review, July 9, 1992 Article not bylined.
https://swco-ir.tdl.org/swco-ir/handle/10605/231140

Steve Thomas

[Lee Wotton]

Lee,

On the afternoon of November 22nd, Detective James Leavelle was spearheading the investigation of Oswald for the murder of Officer J.D. Tippit. On April 7, 1964 he testified to the Warren Commission that he had gone to the Texas Theater, but because of the heavy traffic, had arrived too late to participate in Oswald?s arrest. He then went back to the police station and took affidavits from witnesses. ?So, I proceeded back to the office to work on that end of it, checking with the captain, and they was tied up with the Presidential assassination, and not until we got there did I realize some few minutes later on, when talking to some of the people of the Texas Book Depository, did we realize Oswald could very well be the same one who assassinated the President.?(69).

The minute that connection was made, the focus of the investigation changed. Will Fritz wanted Oswald in his office right then. FBI agents were called in and if six members of the Dallas Police Department can be believed, at least one Secret Service Agent whose identity has remained a secret ever since November 22, 1963. I believe that Agent is Charles Kunkel, the one Agent whose whereabouts on November 22nd can?t be confirmed. Policemen are proud of their collars and even after 35 years the idea of having one taken away from you still rankles. On the 35th anniversary of the assassination, the Texas Monthly magazine did an interview with several people who were witnesses to the events of November 22nd. One of the interviewees was Detective Jim Leavelle. During the conversation, he had this to say, ?I talked to him, yeah, about 10, maybe 15 minutes one-on-one before Captain Fritz and the other officers came back from the book depository, preparatory to going look for him, and found out he was already there. When the Captain came in and asked me what his name was, and I told him, he asked me where he worked, and he said the book depository, he said, 'You're the one I want to talk to.' So, in essence, they took my prisoner away. I lost my prisoner. He and Chief Charles of the Secret Service.?(70).

Why Leavelle would have referred to him as ?Chief? Charles is a mystery, and we can?t ask Kunkel because he passed away on June 27, 1992. When I asked James Leavelle why he referred to this person as Chief Charles in the article, former Detective Leavelle answered, ?I did not say Charles, I said ?Sorrels, Chief of the S.S.?.?(71). I asked the author of the article, Joe Patoski if he had recorded the interview. He wrote me and said that he had not recorded the interview. He used notes and was unsure where those notes were now.(72). So, is this an error in transcription? We?ll probably never know.

In a July 9, 1992 article, the Cross Plains Review said that Charles Kunkel went on to become the Special Agent-in-Charge of the Austin Office, where he retired in 1982. (73). By James Levealle's reasoning, Charles Kunkel would also be called ?Chief? Charles.

69. Testimony of James R. Leavelle. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 262, as cited in the History Matters Archive http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0135b.htm
70. Patoski, Joe Nick. ?What They Saw Then: Unedited Transcripts?, Texas Monthly, November, 1998. as cited in:
http://web.archive.o...anscripts.1.php
71. Email from Detective James Leavelle, retired. February 28, 2003.
72. Email from Joe Nick Patoski. March 3, 2003.
73. Texas Tech University Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library
Cross Plains Review, July 9, 1992 Article not bylined.
https://swco-ir.tdl.org/swco-ir/handle/10605/231140

Steve Thomas

Thanks Steve, FLP referred to Chief Charles too so he was likely quoting Jim.

I think there may be merit in looking into the Tosh Plumley account of flying in an abort team on 11/22.  I had a feeling he landed a cia plane at Redbird and likely had a pick up later for the fleeing assassins

[Steve Thomas]

Thanks Steve, FLP referred to Chief Charles too so he was likely quoting Jim.

Lee,

Can you tell me under what conditions Prouty said this?
When and where?
Is this online anywhere?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

[Dan DAlimonte]

First of all, I would like to thank everyone who commented on this thread so far,
esp, Steve, Tom, Bill and Lee.  I had presented this theory a few times before the crash
and outside of, Steve, the only thing I ever heard came from crickets.  Now, if my theory leads
us to a dead end, SO BE IT.  I've never been one here who wouldn't admit when I was proved wrong.
But now ... there's been further info coming from Steve that the two SS agents who were brought
to lunch within Love Field was the SS agent Warner who was the same Warner who compiled the Radio
Traffic Transcripts I've been using.  So, let's look at this.

1. If Warner brought those agents, Rybka and Lawton, to lunch at Love Field then it is highly
likely he was using the 30's station wagon for SS agents either driven by himself or a DPD officer.
Then the same thing applies which I stated with Rybka and Lawton going outside for lunch being escorted by a Love Field car.  Nothing changes except now, the 30's station wagon with whatever SS agents were within, whether it was 1, 2 or all 3, could have assisted the police in capturing suspects in a separate station wagon at Redbird.   And, as for the Sheraton Hotel and bringing persons to the downtown jail  ...
BOTH could still apply.  Btw ... please look at the following link.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-034.gif

Notice the question mark after the Sheraton is mentioned?

Btw ... a few years back I asked this Forum a question.  With all the press swarming
the DPD police station that day why were there no pictures of the 3 Tramps within the building?
Christer, responded that they were brought to the Sherrif's office.  Same thing here ...?