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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2018, 04:57:50 AM »
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This is what you do and ironically it's contributions like the one above that turned what was once a Paradise into a raging hell hole.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2018, 05:12:27 AM »
I agree - no defense attorney in 63/64 would of had the knowledge that we do today about the evidence and it's handling.

Lee would of fried on the electric chair - no question about it.

They'd have the same evidence in 64 that we have in 2018.

Good luck trying to discredit all the physical, circumstantial and eyewitness testimony based on the way that it was handled.

What year was SHOtime's mock trial ?

Saint Patsy was guilty in 63 and he's still guilty in 18.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2018, 05:40:22 AM »
Hahahahahaha!

Bugliosi is the very definition of competent and he would have used both Markham and Brennan and them bashed them repeatedly over your Defence Attorney's head.

11. After the first and second shots rang out in Dealey Plaza, a motorcade witness, Howard Brennan, sitting on a short concrete wall directly across the street from the sixth-floor window, looked up and actually saw Oswald in the window holding his rifle. Only 120 feet away from Oswald, he got a very good look as he watched, in horror, Oswald (whom he had seen in the window earlier, before the motorcade had arrived) take deliberate aim and fire the final shot from his rifle.29 At the police lineup that evening, Brennan picked Oswald out, saying, ?He looks like him, but I cannot positively say,? giving the police the reason that he had since seen Oswald on television and that could have ?messed me up.?30 However, Brennan signed an affidavit at the Dallas sheriff?s office within an hour after the shooting and before the lineup saying, ?I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again.?31 On December 18, 1963, Brennan told the FBI he was ?sure? that Oswald was the man he had seen in the window.32 And he later told the Warren Commission that in reality at the lineup, ?with all fairness, I could have positively identified the man? but did not do so out of fear. ?If it got to be a known fact that I was an eyewitness, my family or I?might not be safe.?33 Although Brennan did not positively identify Oswald at the lineup, he did say, as we?ve seen, that Oswald looked like the man. And we know Brennan is legitimate since the description of the man in the window that he gave to the authorities right after the shooting?a slender, white male about thirty years old, five feet ten inches?matches Oswald fairly closely, and had to have been the basis for the description of the man sent out over police radio just fifteen minutes after the shooting.34
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One of the canards of the conspiracy theorists that they?ve sold to millions is that there was only one eyewitness to Oswald killing Officer Tippit, Helen Markham, and she wasn?t a strong one. But in addition to Jack Tatum also being an eyewitness to the killing, for all intents and purposes there were eight other eyewitnesses. For instance, with the Davis women, can anyone make the argument that although someone else shot Tippit, it was Oswald who was seen running from the Tippit murder scene with a revolver in his hand unloading shells? And when Scoggins saw Oswald approach Tippit?s car and then lost sight of him for a moment, Tippit?s true killer appeared out of nowhere, shot and killed Tippit, then vanished into thin air, whereupon Scoggins then saw Oswald again, running away from Tippit?s car with a pistol in his hand?       
So there were ten witnesses who identified Oswald as the murderer. And we know that the physical evidence was all corroborative of their testimony
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Bugliosi is the very definition of competent 


Say what?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2018, 06:22:39 AM »

And you have evidence of that being fake?
The 7ft 3inch Oswald. Haven't seen that one in a while. He was supposed to be halfway down the staircases by then wasn't he?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2018, 06:33:24 AM »
Hahahahahaha!

Bugliosi is the very definition of competent and he would have used both Markham and Brennan and them bashed them repeatedly over your Defence Attorney's head.

11. After the first and second shots rang out in Dealey Plaza, a motorcade witness, Howard Brennan, sitting on a short concrete wall directly across the street from the sixth-floor window, looked up and actually saw Oswald in the window holding his rifle. Only 120 feet away from Oswald, he got a very good look as he watched, in horror, Oswald (whom he had seen in the window earlier, before the motorcade had arrived) take deliberate aim and fire the final shot from his rifle.29 At the police lineup that evening, Brennan picked Oswald out, saying, ?He looks like him, but I cannot positively say,? giving the police the reason that he had since seen Oswald on television and that could have ?messed me up.?30 However, Brennan signed an affidavit at the Dallas sheriff?s office within an hour after the shooting and before the lineup saying, ?I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again.?31 On December 18, 1963, Brennan told the FBI he was ?sure? that Oswald was the man he had seen in the window.32 And he later told the Warren Commission that in reality at the lineup, ?with all fairness, I could have positively identified the man? but did not do so out of fear. ?If it got to be a known fact that I was an eyewitness, my family or I?might not be safe.?33 Although Brennan did not positively identify Oswald at the lineup, he did say, as we?ve seen, that Oswald looked like the man. And we know Brennan is legitimate since the description of the man in the window that he gave to the authorities right after the shooting?a slender, white male about thirty years old, five feet ten inches?matches Oswald fairly closely, and had to have been the basis for the description of the man sent out over police radio just fifteen minutes after the shooting.34
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John, when Brennan was asked about his exact movements that day by the WC, he omitted the part of walking over to the DalTex fire escape and looking up at a probable sniper location on the 2d floor of that building.  That probable sniper is standing next to him in the white ball cap.  What were Brennan's connections to Republic National Bank, a reputed CIA front where many individuals of this saga had "business"?


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2018, 02:45:32 PM »
Another silly "the Conspirators didn't control every little detail that day therefore there couldn't have been a Conspiracy" topic

Again I'll say, if every Conspiracy was perfectly plotted and executed, no Conspiracy in the history of mankind would ever get exposed.

Maybe there was a Conspiracy to kill JFk. Maybe there wasn't.

But we know for a fact today that there was a Coverup. Even many LN'ers have come around to acknowledging that there were multiple Coverups in the Kennedy assassination investigations.

People who participate in Coverups aren't always involved in the Crime (ie Nixon). They usually make themselves Accessories After The Fact because they are trying to avoid Professional embarrassment or being held accountable in some way...
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2018, 04:33:36 PM »
Jack Dougherty.
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Mr. BALL - Did you see Oswald come to work that morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes---when he first come into the door.
Mr. BALL - When he came in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him come in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; I saw him when he first come in the door--yes.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything in his hands or arms?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, not that I could see of.
Mr. BALL - About what time of day was that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That was 8 o'clock.
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The WC counsel just had to get a sack carrying Oswald on record......
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Mr. BALL - Did he come in with anybody?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - He was alone?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; he was alone.
Mr. BALL - Do you recall him having anything in his hand?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't see anything, if he did.
Mr. BALL - Did you pay enough attention to him, you think, that you would remember whether he did or didn't?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I believe I can---yes, sir---I'll put it this way; I didn't see anything in his hands at the time.
Mr. BALL - In other words, your memory is definite on that is it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Or, are you guessing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't think so.
Mr. BALL - You saw him come in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The back door on the first floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was in the back door.
In real court this is called 'asked and answered'. It is also called 'badgering the witness'.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2018, 07:04:46 PM »
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President Lyndon Baines Johnson appointed Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles
You think Johnson cared what RFK thought?
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Wasn't fired. He resigned with honors.
He 'resigned' the day after the medal was given him.
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Dismissal...During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism.[2] In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia.[29] The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles.[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles
 

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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