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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2018, 11:53:47 PM »
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Fair enough.  As opposed to:

Howard "failed to identify" Brennan
Charles "willing to change his story for money" Givens
Amos "he had a bald spot" Euins
Helen "I had never seen none of them" Markham
Jack Tatum who pops out of the woodwork a decade and a half later?

As for Ruby Henderson describing Norman and Jarman, Norman and Jarman weren't even in the same window.  Also which one of them was wearing a white shirt?

Hahahaha!

Brennan swore an oath that he saw Oswald.
Givens says he saw Oswald at what, 11:55 big deal. Btw didn't a policeman say your money quote.
Oswald had a receding hairline which would be observed as a bald spot to suggest that Amos could look down on the top of Oswald's head while he was 6 floors below is just more absurdity.

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Helen testifies that she saw the number 2 man kill Tippit.
Norman heard someone with a bolt action rifle shooting and ejecting shells directly above his head.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2018, 12:26:44 AM »
Don't all witnesses have to swear an oath? Why was Brennan so special in his oath?

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Don't all witnesses have to swear an oath?

Yes.

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Why was Brennan so special in his oath?

I simply stated a fact.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2018, 01:53:31 AM »
How did Amos' non-descriptive observation specifically ID anyone?

It didn't... it only established that any other shooter named by you lot needs to be sporting a reasonably similar white*spot.

*Euins called it a 'white spot' about 4 times
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2018, 03:35:41 AM »
Fair enough.  As opposed to:

Howard "failed to identify" Brennan
Charles "willing to change his story for money" Givens
Amos "he had a bald spot" Euins
Helen "I had never seen none of them" Markham
Jack Tatum who pops out of the woodwork a decade and a half later?

Howie B: I agree that he his testimony should not be used to positively identify Oswald to the exclusion of all others.
Chuckie G: Haven't really relied on what he's said. What I do use is what can be supported by others.
Amos Euins: Was on the ground looking up at someone who was 60+ feet above him. He couldn't see a bald spot that was on top of the gunman's head, so the other choice is that he was talking about a receding hairline. Oswald had one.
Markham: Total drama queen, but that doesn't mean everything she said was wrong, a lie, etc, and she wasn't the only witness. Callaway positively ID'd Oswald as the armed man he encountered leaving the scene, for instance. Frank Cimino came out after the gunman left the scene and saw that Tippit "moved slightly and groaned but never said anything that he could understand," so Markham's oft-derided claim that Tippit was trying to say something to her isn't that far off.
Jackie T: I've never put any credit into what he claimed.

As for Ruby Henderson describing Norman and Jarman, Norman and Jarman weren't even in the same window.  Also which one of them was wearing a white shirt?
Normal and Jarman never could have been in the same window? OK, what about Norman and Williams then? Or Williams and Jarman? And, did anyone else notice two guys in the same window on 6, one in a white shirt?


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2018, 04:02:11 AM »
Why the need to name a shooter with a bold spot?

Where did I say 'bold spot'
Pretty sure Euins said 'bald spot' and 'white spot'

Aside from your laziness in proofreading your own posts, according to y'all any other shooter but Oswald is eligible to take over the mantle of prime suspect.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2018, 04:58:42 AM »
If you can prove that Lee was even on the 6th floor at 12.15 pm onwards - be my guest.

Be you so bold to try?  ;D

Where did I say I could prove Oswald was the killer?

Can I take as a 'yes' your avoidance in replying to my suggestion that the shooter needs to have a white spot as described by Euins? After all, you didn't disagree...
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2018, 05:31:50 AM »
Junior Jarman
From Jarman's Affidavit 11/23/63

At about 11:45 a.m. all of the employees who were working on the 6th floor came downstairs and we were all out on the street at about 12:00 o'clock noon. These employees were: Bill Shelley, Charles Givens, Billy Lovelady, Bonnie Ray (last name not known) and a Spanish boy (his name I cannot remember).

FBI interview 11/24/63

No mention of the ascent to the 5th floor just that Williams and Norman were with him at the time of the motorcade.

SS interview 12/2/63

"After eating lunch Jarman went with Williams and Norman to the fifth floor to watch the President pass by."

FBI interview 1/14/64
"He said that he and the other two boys (Norman and Williams) ate lunch on the first floor around 12 noon on November 22, 1963, and shortly afterwards went to the fifth floor about 12.25pm, on the west elevator in the building in order to watch the Presidential parade.

Harold Norman
FBI interview 11/26/63

As with Jarman's initial statement there was no mention of Williams joining he and Jarman just before the shooting, just that the three were watching the motorcade "about noon" from the fifth floor.

SS interview and Affidavit 12/4/63

"About 12:15 P.M. on this same date, after I had eaten my lunch, I went to the fifth floor of the building to watch the parade of the President pass the building. Bonnie Ray Williams and James Jarman, who also worked at this building went with me."

FBI interview 3/18/64

He simply states he was with Jarman and Williams on the 5th floor at 12.10 or 12.20 and it appear that he felt the shots occurred at this time.




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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2018, 06:41:59 AM »
Bill,

was Amos the only witness to mention a white spot? If yes, we are both wasting our time about speculating on its significance or otherwise.

Start a new thread, should be riveting.

Only two witnesses saw the guy with a gun. You seem are trying to imply that there were more who actually saw the guy. You wouldn't be trying to minimize Euins observations, now would you?

What's 'riveting' is Euins focus on the white spot, which he kept mentioning over & over. To brush that fact aside as a waste of time reveals that you would rather not allow that a choice of suspects would be narrowed down (by dint of Euins observation) to fellows with receding hairlines.
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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