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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2018, 10:06:42 PM »
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Mr. SPECTER. How many officers were converging on that area, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate?
Mr. ROWLAND. I think it would be a very good estimation of 50, maybe more.
'50' cops huh? Came out of the woodwork. Where were they when the shooting started?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2018, 01:22:19 AM »
How about someone on the anti-Rowland bandwagon post a believeable narrative in the context of what he knew at the time and what we know now. Like......how did he know Williams was on the 6th floor at that time?
Was he just guessing and got lucky? What do you think Rowland?s motivation was?

As stated previously he essentially got the basics correct. Still waiting for a LN response to the repeated lies by Jarman and Norman prior to their testifying regarding Williams movements.

As expected......suddenly nothing happened.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2018, 03:27:45 AM »
Arnold's observation of seeing the African-American male at 12.15 pm at the SE corner had nothing to do with a conspiracy. It was the WC who thought that it implied that the gunman observed by Arnold had an accomplice.

No one was on the fifth floor at the SE corner until ~12.25 pm.

The WC knew that there was an African-American male on the 6th floor after 12 noon. They were also confident that there was no "elderly Negro" in the SE corner. Arnold's observation could therefore be easily discredited.

However from Arnold's vantage point, it would be difficult to determine someone's age. He provided additional and conflicting detail in his testimony that ultimately was used to discredit him.

Despite that, it didn't mean that he was wrong in seeing the African-American male in the SE corner at 12.15 pm on the 6th floor. He was after all the only witness who saw the gunman at the SW corner.

He had no corroboration for either observation. So why did the WC partially believe his testimony?

What part did the WC believe? The line of questioning indicated they did not believe any of what he was saying including the man with a rifle.  BRW could see all the way to the west wall and there was nobody there. Ford sums it up best at the end.

The CHAIRMAN - Anything further, Congressman Ford?
Representative FORD - Mr. Rowland, have you ever had occasion to go back to the scene and reconstruct it? Have you ever gone back--
The CHAIRMAN - Supposing we take a few minutes recess.
Mr. ROWLAND - The answer to that question is yes; I do all the time. I pass that area very frequently.

Rowland obviously possess an overactive imagination and it shows throughout his testimony.

When the shooting started BRW was hanging out of the 5th floor window trying to see who was shooting. Not the actions of some one who had been interacting with LHO moments before.


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #123 on: September 10, 2018, 03:35:19 AM »
What part did the WC believe? The line of questioning indicated they did not believe any of what he was saying including the man with a rifle.  BRW could see all the way to the west wall and there was nobody there. Ford sums it up best at the end.

The CHAIRMAN - Anything further, Congressman Ford?
Representative FORD - Mr. Rowland, have you ever had occasion to go back to the scene and reconstruct it? Have you ever gone back--
The CHAIRMAN - Supposing we take a few minutes recess.
Mr. ROWLAND - The answer to that question is yes; I do all the time. I pass that area very frequently.

Rowland obviously possess an overactive imagination and it shows throughout his testimony.

When the shooting started BRW was hanging out of the 5th floor window trying to see who was shooting. Not the actions of some one who had been interacting with LHO moments before.
So you believe that Rowland fabricated the whole thing. He just got lucky in imagining the right building and floor for the shots. His wife lied too in her confirming aspects. He never told her anything about a security guard about 12.15.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #124 on: September 10, 2018, 04:37:53 AM »
As expected......suddenly nothing happened.

You lot and your expectations of immediate responses assumes that people are spending all their time sitting on every post that pops up.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #125 on: September 10, 2018, 04:51:11 AM »
So you believe that Rowland fabricated the whole thing. He just got lucky in imagining the right building and floor for the shots. His wife lied too in her confirming aspects. He never told her anything about a security guard about 12.15.

Basically yes. He did tell her about a gunman but only after discussing the Stevens incident, what are the odds. He should have been playing the lottery.

His description of the shooter in the window does not work. She never seen anybody and neither did anyone else, which is a common theme to his statement. Even Roger Craig gets it wrong and basically shoots Rowland down by giving a conflicting testimony of what Rowland supposedly stated. BRW could see all the way to the west wall and was actually on the 6th floor and never seen a soul.

Read his testimony, how is it you can't see what a giant BS artist he really was? He could tell the rifle was a 30 "odd" six rifle, something that doesn't even exist, from a distance? The only way to know the caliber of a rifle is read it off the barrel. A foreign rifle? Really? What does he say that actually is the truth?

The only way you can believe his story is you need and want to believe it. The WC obviously had major doubts, it shows in the questions and answers.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #126 on: September 10, 2018, 05:25:54 AM »
You lot and your expectations of immediate responses assumes that people are spending all their time sitting on every post that pops up.

Consider my breath suitably baited for your considered response.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #127 on: September 10, 2018, 05:35:18 AM »
Basically yes. He did tell her about a gunman but only after discussing the Stevens incident, what are the odds. He should have been playing the lottery.

His description of the shooter in the window does not work. She never seen anybody and neither did anyone else, which is a common theme to his statement. Even Roger Craig gets it wrong and basically shoots Rowland down by giving a conflicting testimony of what Rowland supposedly stated. BRW could see all the way to the west wall and was actually on the 6th floor and never seen a soul.

Read his testimony, how is it you can't see what a giant BS artist he really was? He could tell the rifle was a 30 "odd" six rifle, something that doesn't even exist, from a distance? The only way to know the caliber of a rifle is read it off the barrel. A foreign rifle? Really? What does he say that actually is the truth?

The only way you can believe his story is you need and want to believe it. The WC obviously had major doubts, it shows in the questions and answers.

'30 "odd" six rifle, something that doesn't even exist'

It's possible that he meant 'aught' or the court reporter took it wrong. in my youth, a friends dad had a 30-30 and we described it as seen below

Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield

The .30-06 Springfield cartridge (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" or "thirty-oh-six")
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #127 on: September 10, 2018, 05:35:18 AM »