Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

How does my quote equate to.. Instead of babbling about the Carcano that Lt Day is seen picking up OFF THE FLOOR being a mauser....

I was facetiously referring to Fritz directing Alyea to "film" the discovery of the Carcano. You probably looked high and low for my quote that doesn't exist and that was the closest you could come up with. Pathetic. Just admit that you were wrong and I will accept your apology and we can move on. 

There you go again believing testimony from the conspirators because it supports your narrative that no one saw a Mauser at the TSBD because the conspirators said so. Who do you think told Decker to get Craig the hell out of there?

What about Tom Alyea, and other reporters, and TSBD employees??.   

What do you want me to admit that I was wrong about??

[Jack Trojan]

What about Tom Alyea, and other reporters, and TSBD employees??.

What about them? Name them and tell us which ones were not conspirators or under Fritz's thumb.

What do you want me to admit that I was wrong about??

Instead of babbling about the Carcano that Lt Day is seen picking up OFF THE FLOOR being a mauser....

You were wrong that I (or anyone) claimed that Alyea filmed Day picking up a Mauser OFF THE FLOOR. Your argument has been if a Mauser was seen on in the TSBD, then the conspirators would have admitted it and Alyea would have filmed it. That's just plain faulty logic, yet you use it to libel Craig and poo-poo the Mauser even existing. That is, until your BINGO moment when you suspect Weitzman was shown a Mauser as the murder weapon, BUT HE DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE TSBD. This is also why you refuse to accept that there was a shooter in the TSBD because he would have likely been the source of the Mauser.

Why else would Weitzman have been shown a Mauser and led to believe it was the Carcano? If you admit there might have been a Mauser, then you have to fit it into your argument. But you choose to stick to your guns, instead.

[Walt Cakebread]

What about them? Name them and tell us which ones were not conspirators or under Fritz's thumb.

Instead of babbling about the Carcano that Lt Day is seen picking up OFF THE FLOOR being a mauser....

You were wrong that I (or anyone) claimed that Alyea filmed Day picking up a Mauser OFF THE FLOOR. Your argument has been if a Mauser was seen on in the TSBD, then the conspirators would have admitted it and Alyea would have filmed it. That's just plain faulty logic, yet you use it to libel Craig and poo-poo the Mauser even existing. That is, until your BINGO moment when you suspect Weitzman was shown a Mauser as the murder weapon, BUT HE DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE TSBD. This is also why you refuse to accept that there was a shooter in the TSBD because he would have likely been the source of the Mauser.

Why else would Weitzman have been shown a Mauser and led to believe it was the Carcano? If you admit there might have been a Mauser, then you have to fit it into your argument. But you choose to stick to your guns, instead.

 Your argument has been if a Mauser was seen on in the TSBD, then the conspirators would have admitted it and Alyea would have filmed it.

I've made no such a ridiculous  claim.   I've merely pointed out that virtually ALL of the witnesses swore under oath that after Weitzman and Boone discovered the MANNLICHER CARCANO  lying ON THE FLOOR  nobody touched the Mannlicher Carcano until Lt. JC Day came and picked up the CARCANO.

[Jack Trojan]

Your argument has been if a Mauser was seen on in the TSBD, then the conspirators would have admitted it and Alyea would have filmed it.

I've made such a rididulous  claim.   I've merely pointed out that virtually ALL of the witnesses swore under oath that after Weitzman and Boone discovered the MANNLICHER CARCANO  lying ON THE FLOOR  nobody touched the Mannlicher Carcano until Lt. JC Day came and picked up the CARCANO.

What's the difference?

[Walt Cakebread]

What's the difference?

You've been arguing that the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered was a mauser but they switched the mauser and substituted a carcano.

But literally everybody said the carcano was the rifle that was discovered LYING ON THE FLOOR ( not jammed between boxes) and NOBODY touched the carcano until LT day picked it up.

[Jack Trojan]

You've been arguing that the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered was a mauser but they switched the mauser and substituted a carcano.

But literally everybody said the carcano was the rifle that was discovered LYING ON THE FLOOR ( not jammed between boxes) and NOBODY touched the carcano until LT day picked it up.

List "literally everybody" and put an asterisk beside the non-conspirators. You rely on vague testimony from the conspirators way too much. Why didn't Alyea film the rifle in situ? Seems to me that once Boone announced he had discovered the rifle that Alyea would have been there filming like a dirty shirt. Instead he waited for Day and Fritz to ham it up during the "discovery". How come?

Where is the Alyea footage of the 3 hulls near the SN window? What kind of journalist was he? Why do you assume Alyea was a straight shooter and not another pawn and Fritz was the Director? If there was a rifle switch, then why do you think you would know about it if Fritz was choreographing the entire event?

Did you know Boone confiscated a bunch of witness cameras during the shooting before showing up in the TSBD? How did he know the shots came from there? Was it because he was a pawn? Or was there actually a shooter on the 6th floor taking token shots at JFK to frame Oswald? If so, what rifle did he use? Not the MC because that was already planted. But the Mauser might have been ditched nearby and Boone accidentally found it 1st. The switch could have been quick and discrete and the MC was left in place until Fritz called ACTION! No one thinks the RIFLE ON THE FLOOR was a Mauser that was swapped for a MC, so stop claiming that and move on.

Otherwise, I accept your apology. Just don't let it happen again. 

[Walt Cakebread]

List "literally everybody" and put an asterisk beside the non-conspirators. You rely on vague testimony from the conspirators way too much. Why didn't Alyea film the rifle in situ? Seems to me that once Boone announced he had discovered the rifle that Alyea would have been there filming like a dirty shirt. Instead he waited for Day and Fritz to ham it up during the "discovery". How come?

Where is the Alyea footage of the 3 hulls near the SN window? What kind of journalist was he? Why do you assume Alyea was a straight shooter and not another pawn and Fritz was the Director? If there was a rifle switch, then why do you think you would know about it if Fritz was choreographing the entire event?

Did you know Boone confiscated a bunch of witness cameras during the shooting before showing up in the TSBD? How did he know the shots came from there? Was it because he was a pawn? Or was there actually a shooter on the 6th floor taking token shots at JFK to frame Oswald? If so, what rifle did he use? Not the MC because that was already planted. But the Mauser might have been ditched nearby and Boone accidentally found it 1st. The switch could have been quick and discrete and the MC was left in place until Fritz called ACTION! No one thinks the RIFLE ON THE FLOOR was a Mauser that was swapped for a MC, so stop claiming that and move on.

Otherwise, I accept your apology. Just don't let it happen again. 

 Why didn't Alyea film the rifle in situ?

Tom Alyea said that much of his footage ended up on the cutting room floor.....  So how do you know that Alyea didn't have footage of the rifle in situ ON THE FLOOR (not jammed between boxes of books)

Tom did manage to film detective Day as he picked the carcano up FROM THE FLOOR....   And that's the first time anybody touched the rifle after Weitzman and Boone discovered it where it had been CAREFULLY HIDDEN.     It was NOT hastily cast aside as the conspirators have claimed.