Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe, but he did say he guessed the time didn't he?

He did say. He was wearing blue clothing, yes, as I have said before. He also mentioned other clothing which was correct. I think I asked before about what colour trousers Oswald wore to work but don't remember being shown the evidence. Would be happy to see it.

Did he own a blue jacket as Marina said?

Who the hell cares?....  It's irrelevant whether Lee owned a blue workman's type jacket.....   He was NOT wearing a blue jacket ( or a jacket of any color)  when he left the TSBD

[John Iacoletti]

Whaley said he didn't wear a watch and guessed the time, and gave an approximation which could be 15 mins out. That's a fact isn't it?

No it's not.  He said 10 minutes.

Marina said LHO owned a blue jacket.

That was the one supposedly found by Frankie Kaiser in the TSBD domino room either a few days later or 4 weeks later (depending on which report you believe), coincidentally the same guy who found the alleged "Oswald clipboard" on the sixth floor that nobody else noticed either.

But how could Whaley have seen his passenger wearing that?

[John Iacoletti]

He did say. He was wearing blue clothing, yes, as I have said before. He also mentioned other clothing which was correct.

You mean that brown shirt with the "little silverlike stripe"?

I think I asked before about what colour trousers Oswald wore to work but don't remember being shown the evidence. Would be happy to see it.

Black.  CE 158



But he supposedly told Fritz that he changed his pants at the rooming house.  However, I don't see any blue pants in the evidence exhibits.

[John Iacoletti]

Why would you post a fake picture in an attempt to refute the Tom Alyea film which clearly shows the rifle was laying on it's right side with the sling side (left side) up.  ?

I know that's the Walt Fabrication, but you don't know what boxes they moved before the Alyea clip starts.  In fact the whole Alyea clip could be a recreation.

[Walt Cakebread]

You mean that brown shirt with the "little silverlike stripe"?

Black.  CE 158



But he supposedly told Fritz that he changed his pants at the rooming house.  However, I don't see any blue pants in the evidence exhibits.

he supposedly told Fritz that he changed his pants at the rooming house.

Why supposedly??    There are several reports of the interrogations from several sources that confirm that Lee told them that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the theater.  (See Hosty / Bookhout report for 11/ 23 /63 on page 612 of WR)  On page 622 FBI agent James Bookhout's report says....quote...He stated after arriving at the apartment he changed his shirt and trousers because they were dirty. He described his dirty clothing as being a reddish colored, long sleeved shirt with a BUTTON DOWN  COLLAR and gray colored trousers.

And on page 626 Inspector Kelly writes in his report... "He went home changed his trousers and shirt, put his shirt in a dresser. This was a red shirt and he put it with his dirty clothes. He described the shirt as having a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR and of a reddish color. The trousers were gray colored. 


There's no good reason to doubt that Lee went to his room and changed his clothes....and he was NOT wearing any BLUE workman's clothing...   And to those who argue that he was wearing the same shirt the entire day and did not change his clothes....Then show me the BUTTON DOWN  COLLAR on the arrest shirt.    I know the FBI found fibers on the butt of the rifle that they said matched the shirt that Lee was wearing at the theater when he was arrested....BUT ....  Their tale does not add up .....

[Walt Cakebread]

I know that's the Walt Fabrication, but you don't know what boxes they moved before the Alyea clip starts.  In fact the whole Alyea clip could be a recreation.

I know that's the Walt Fabrication,

Thank you....  It certainly DID take a lot of study and effort to construct that "fabrication" ...and it's nice of you to recognize the sPersony construction.

you don't know what boxes they moved before the Alyea clip starts.

You're right....  But the police all swore that NOTHING was touched and no boxes moved prior to Alyea   Detective Day lifting the rifle ....Based on your statement here, I assume that you agree with me that they were lying....and boxes were in fact moved prior to Day picking up the rifle.

The Alyea film clip definitely shows the rifle laying on it's right side with the left side up ....  Now then let's see if I can get this through your thick skull....  If the rifle had been positioned as it is seen in the "on situ" photo With the trigger guard / magazine down and the left hand mounted scope up and supported by boxes ...Then if the boxes were removed the laws of physics would cause the rifle to topple to the left ( because of the weight of the scope off to the left of center)...   Thus the LEFT side of the rifle would have been down and detective Day could not have reached down and grabbed the leather sling, because it would have been on the opposite side of the rifle. 

[John Iacoletti]

Thank you....  It certainly DID take a lot of study and effort to construct that "fabrication" ...and it's nice of you to recognize the sPersony construction.

I recognize your sPersony imagination...

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html

You're right....  But the police all swore that NOTHING was touched and no boxes moved prior to Alyea lifting the rifle ....Based on your statement here, I assume that you agree with me that they were lying....and boxes were in fact moved prior to Day picking up the rifle.

I didn't know that Alyea ever lifted the rifle, but you're right:  we have plenty of reasons not to trust anything that the Dallas police officers swore to.

The Alyea film clip definitely shows the rifle laying on it's right side with the left side up ....  Now then let's see if I can get this through your thick skull....  If the rifle had been positioned as it is seen in the "on situ" photo With the trigger guard / magazine down and the left hand mounted scope up and supported by boxes ...Then if the boxes were removed the laws of physics would cause the rifle to topple to the left ( because of the weight of the scope off to the left of center)...   Thus the LEFT side of the rifle would have been down and detective Day could not have reached down and grabbed the leather sling, because it would have been on the opposite side of the rifle.

Wouldn't that depend on which boxes were moved?

[Walt Cakebread]

I recognize your sPersony imagination...

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html

I didn't know that Alyea ever lifted the rifle, but you're right:  we have plenty of reasons not to trust anything that the Dallas police officers swore to.

Wouldn't that depend on which boxes were moved?

I didn't know that Alyea ever lifted the rifle, but you're right:  we have plenty of reasons not to trust anything that the Dallas police officers swore to.

I didn't know that Alyea ever lifted the rifle,


Ha ha..Ya caught me....  I meant Detective Day lifting the rifle....