Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

"Only you can determine that, Dan."

Unlike you Walt, I don't own any Carcanos so it would be nice to get the opinion of someone in the know rather than a cryptic remark. I'll try it differently:

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?
Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?
Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?

No,   The clip was made from yellow colored brass....

Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?

The dark rectangle is the dark "hole" of the ejection port ..... The light color on the edge of the E port is the brass clip.

Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Yes... But "eject" is a misnomer....  The clip merely falls out of the ejection port by the force of gravity. The clip is NOT ejected by any mechanical mechanism .   If the rifle is positioned in any position other than the normal firing position of the magazine on the bottom of the rifle then the clip cannot drop away out of the E port.

[Dan O'meara]

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?

No,   The clip was made from yellow colored brass....

Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?

The dark rectangle is the dark "hole" of the ejection port ..... The light color on the edge of the E port is the brass clip.

Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Yes... But "eject" is a misnomer....  The clip merely falls out of the ejection port by the force of gravity.  If the rifle is positioned in any position other than the normal firing position of the magazine on the bottom of the rifle ten the clip cannot drop away out of the Eport.
Your expert opinion is being sought.

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

[Walt Cakebread]

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

Yes.... when the clip has live cartridges in it.... It MUST be loaded from the top with the bolt retracted.....It is pushed down against a spring loaded elevator that pushes the live cartridges up as the spent cartridges are ejected.  When the last round in the clip is chambered the clip simply falls out of the E port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....there is a .0001 percent chance that the clip might not drop out after the last cartridge is chambered...

IOW..there is a very slim possibility that something like a dirty clip might prevent the clip from dropping out.

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?[/b]

Nothing....Is preventing it from falling out ...the photos show that it is falling out.... albeit at a very slow pace....  And that's because the E port was never in the down position long enough to allow the clip to fall free. 

[Walt Cakebread]

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....and since the official tale says that the last round was in the firing chamber then the clip should have been on the floor beneath the window along with the spent shells....   The FACT that the clip was in the rifle when Day picked the rifle up can only mean that the clip was placed in the ejection port when the rifle was carefully laid on the floor before the boxes of books were stacked around and over it.

[Dan O'meara]

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....and since the official tale says that the last round was in the firing chamber then the clip should have been on the floor beneath the window along with the spent shells....   The FACT that the clip was in the rifle when Day picked the rifle up can only mean that the clip was placed in the ejection port when the rifle was carefully laid on the floor before the boxes of books were stacked around and over it.

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

[Walt Cakebread]

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?

Dan...The liars on LBJ's cover up committee DID address the issue ....

They said the clip was deformed and therefore it was binding in the E port and couldn't fall out.....

The photos that you have posted proves that the clip was NOT deformed and it was in fact free to fall out of the rifle...( the photos show that the clip is falling out)

Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?

The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo.

Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the rifle was on it's side and Day grasped the leather sling near the butt which caused the rifle to assume the muzzle down position and the E port was horizontal ( not vertical) and therefore the clip remained in the rifle.

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

That seems to be a very rational conclusion.

[Walt Cakebread]

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

while the assassins  used  proper rifles perhaps  and none of them were firing from the sixth floor....

[Dan O'meara]

Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?

Dan...The liars on LBJ's cover up committee DID address the issue ....

They said the clip was deformed and therefore it was binding in the E port and couldn't fall out.....

The photos that you have posted proves that the clip was NOT deformed and it was in fact free to fall out of the rifle...( the photos show that the clip is falling out)

Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?

The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo.

Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the rifle was on it's side and Day grasped the leather sling near the butt which caused the rifle to assume the muzzle down position and the E port was horizontal ( not vertical) and therefore the clip remained in the rifle.

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

That seems to be a very rational conclusion.

"The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo."

The picture of the rifle you are calling fake is CE 514. This was shown to Boone during his WC testimony and he confirmed that was exactly how the rifle was when he found it.
I'm wondering whether CE 514 was just a close-up portion of CE 517:



This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Craig is also adamant the Day pics were taken before the rifle was moved

Mr. BELIN - The weapon was moved by the time the pictures were taken?
Mr. CRAIG - No; no. The pictures were taken as the weapon was found lying here.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.