Roger Craig

[Dan O'meara]

I already read that article and used to think Alyea was just a pawn in the coup until I realized the extent of the DPD's involvement. There is no way in hell Fritz would let a freelance photographer film anything without an agreement ahead of time that Fritz called all the shots and had total control over the crime scene. You only get that from complicity. Alyea was allowed to criticize the DPD with unfounded suspicions to give himself some plausible deniability and to distance himself from the conspiracy. But rest assured Fritz must have had Alyea under his thumb the whole time, otherwise, why wasn't Alyea allowed to keep his film? What option did Alyea have but to deny any involvement and play the inadvertent pawn role.

Your reasoning - that Alyea was 'allowed' to report the criminal negligence of Fritz and his men because he was under Fritz's thumb - doesn't stand up to the mildest scrutiny and, to my ears, screams Tin Foil.

"There is no way in hell Fritz would let a freelance photographer film anything without an agreement ahead of time"

Alyea was in there before Fritz arrived. When, exactly did Alyea thrash out this deal with Fritz about entering the TSBD? Before the shooting?

"But rest assured Fritz must have had Alyea under his thumb the whole time, otherwise, why wasn't Alyea allowed to keep his film?"

Have you really read the article? In it Alyea states:

"I took the film from my camera, placed it back into its metal can, wrapped the tape around it, and tossed it to our News Editor, A. J. L'Hoste, who was waiting outside with the other newsmen who were not allowed in the building. A. J. raced it to the television station which was about three blocks away. About fifteen minutes later the world saw the murder weapon, where it was found and pictures of the crime lab people dusting it for fingerprints, and the shell casings that once housed those bullets. They also saw how the assassin prepared for his ambush and the view he had of the killing zone."

What makes you think he wasn't allowed to keep his film?
None of your reasoning about Alyea and his presence in the TSBD makes any sense and you seem to have a very loose grasp of some key events.

[Dan O'meara]

So what if the rifle is laying on its side? This footage was clearly shot after Day had already moved the boxes to expose the rifle and after the photographer took his 2 photos. Day probably laid the rifle down then, but not necessarily. We need to find out if Alyea took any footage of the rifle in-situ and how it compares to the 2 photos. Otherwise, the footage of Day picking up the rifle is useless to us.

We need to compare the missing Alyea footage with the 2 photos to see if the rifle is laying on its side, but that doesn't matter nearly as much as what happened to the strap?

I found some other Alyea footage and made a compilation of any related to the rifle and it's location but in was too big to download.
Below is the opening of it. In it we see Fritz walking into the small area where the rifle is located. There is one shot, quite poor quality, showing the rifle in position near his feet. It is in the upright position:



in the article I posted Alyea states:

"Still pictures were taken of the positioning of the rifle, then Lt. Day slid it out from its hiding place and held it up for all of us to see. The world has seen my shot of this many times."

In the Alyea footage we don't see Day sliding the rifle out of it's hiding place. We just see him picking up the rifle after he has done so.

What happened to the strap?




The strap is clearly on the side facing away from us and out of sight. No real mystery.

[Walt Cakebread]

Your reasoning - that Alyea was 'allowed' to report the criminal negligence of Fritz and his men because he was under Fritz's thumb - doesn't stand up to the mildest scrutiny and, to my ears, screams Tin Foil.

"There is no way in hell Fritz would let a freelance photographer film anything without an agreement ahead of time"

Alyea was in there before Fritz arrived. When, exactly did Alyea thrash out this deal with Fritz about entering the TSBD? Before the shooting?

"But rest assured Fritz must have had Alyea under his thumb the whole time, otherwise, why wasn't Alyea allowed to keep his film?"

Have you really read the article? In it Alyea states:

"I took the film from my camera, placed it back into its metal can, wrapped the tape around it, and tossed it to our News Editor, A. J. L'Hoste, who was waiting outside with the other newsmen who were not allowed in the building. A. J. raced it to the television station which was about three blocks away. About fifteen minutes later the world saw the murder weapon, where it was found and pictures of the crime lab people dusting it for fingerprints, and the shell casings that once housed those bullets. They also saw how the assassin prepared for his ambush and the view he had of the killing zone."

What makes you think he wasn't allowed to keep his film?
None of your reasoning about Alyea and his presence in the TSBD makes any sense and you seem to have a very loose grasp of some key events.

criminal negligence of Fritz and his men

It wasn't "negligence"....   Fritz was a key conspirator....   He was a bit mentally deranged, and truly believed that JFK was a genuine threat to the country that he had grown up in.    Which was the old south of segregation, and white supremacy,
It would not surprise me if it were revealed that Fritz was a leading member of General Walker's Minute Men, or the KKK.
Since Fritz, and many other wealthy, powerful men, in Dallas  believed that they were great patriots and they had saved the(ir)  country with the murder of  John Kennedy they saw no crime in their actions.   

I agree Dan,  Jack has preconceived ideas and he refuses to accept facts....I doubt that he will ever give up the idea that a 7.65 mauser was the rifle that Boone and Weitzman found.  It's a pity that folks latch onto some BS and build a whole case on the BS.....   However, I strongly believe that the government knew that there would be people who would construct such BS cases and encouraged that ( Many "history channel" stories about the coup d e'tat, are based on BS) 

[Walt Cakebread]

I found some other Alyea footage and made a compilation of any related to the rifle and it's location but in was too big to download.
Below is the opening of it. In it we see Fritz walking into the small area where the rifle is located. There is one shot, quite poor quality, showing the rifle in position near his feet. It is in the upright position:



in the article I posted Alyea states:

"Still pictures were taken of the positioning of the rifle, then Lt. Day slid it out from its hiding place and held it up for all of us to see. The world has seen my shot of this many times."

In the Alyea footage we don't see Day sliding the rifle out of it's hiding place. We just see him picking up the rifle after he has done so.

What happened to the strap?




The strap is clearly on the side facing away from us and out of sight. No real mystery.

The strap is clearly on the side facing away from us and out of sight. No real mystery.

Dan what is it going to take to convince you that the official in situ phots are fakes?

In the Alyea shot that shows the carcano lying on it's right side the leather strap is right there at Day's finger tips, on top of the stock.

[Dan O'meara]

The strap is clearly on the side facing away from us and out of sight. No real mystery.

Dan what is it going to take to convince you that the official in situ phots are fakes?

In the Alyea shot that shows the carcano lying on it's right side the leather strap is right there at Day's finger tips, on top of the stock.

The in-situ rifle photos are not fake Walt.
Alyea filmed the rifle in the upright position before Day was anywhere near it.
Day slid the rifle out from beneath the overhanging boxes before he picked it up.
We don't see the bit where Day slid the rifle out, we just see the bit where he picked it up.

No offence Walt, but you don not have one grain of evidence the photos were faked.
Absolutely nothing.
But it doesn't change what you believe.

You can repeat the line about the Alyea film all you want.

Walt, what's it going to take to convince you that you are wrong about the in-situ rifle photos being fake?

[Walt Cakebread]

The in-situ rifle photos are not fake Walt.
Alyea filmed the rifle in the upright position before Day was anywhere near it.
Day slid the rifle out from beneath the overhanging boxes before he picked it up.
We don't see the bit where Day slid the rifle out, we just see the bit where he picked it up.

No offence Walt, but you don not have one grain of evidence the photos were faked.
Absolutely nothing.
But it doesn't change what you believe.

You can repeat the line about the Alyea film all you want.

What is happening when Alyea's clip begins...

Detective Studebaker is perched atop the stack of boxes after photographing the rifle in situ.


Then about two to three seconds later the rifle is clearly visible, just beyond Lt Day's left elbow. The light colored metal butt plate on the butt of the rifle is clearly visible and it is in the horizontal position.  The leather sling is right there on top  ( left side of the stock up) at Lt Day's  finger tips and he grabs that leather strap.   then he picks up the carcano and lifts it into the air.

Walt, what's it going to take to convince you that you are wrong about the in-situ rifle photos being fake?

[Dan O'meara]

As has already been explained, the part of the Alyea film I posted shows Fritz stood in the area where the rifle is. One clip, although poor quality, shows the rifle in an upright position at Fritz's feet.
Alyea states he sees Day slide the rifle out from under the boxes before picking it up. The bit where Day slides the rifle out has not been filmed, just Day picking up the rifle.

This is the footage I've cobbled together from various Alyea clips:

[Walt Cakebread]

So what if the rifle is laying on its side? This footage was clearly shot after Day had already moved the boxes to expose the rifle and after the photographer took his 2 photos. Day probably laid the rifle down then, but not necessarily. We need to find out if Alyea took any footage of the rifle in-situ and how it compares to the 2 photos. Otherwise, the footage of Day picking up the rifle is useless to us.
We need to compare the missing Alyea footage with the 2 photos to see if the rifle is laying on its side, but that doesn't matter nearly as much as what happened to the strap?

So what if the rifle is laying on its side?

e need to find out if Alyea took any footage of the rifle in-situ and how it compares to the 2 photos.

At this point nobody has touched the carcano..... Detective Studebaker has just photographed the carcano in situ....

This footage was clearly shot after Day had already moved the boxes to expose the rifle and after the photographer took his 2 photos.

Yes, you are right.....( although I don't know the number of photo taken)

Day probably laid the rifle down then, but not necessarily.

Pure speculation, .....and contrary to the testimony, and affidavits, of EVERY witness who was there.

We need to find out if Alyea took any footage of the rifle in-situ and how it compares to the 2 photos.

WAKE UP  Jack.... You're dreamin.....  That footage, if it ever existed, was destroyed long ago.

We need to compare the missing Alyea footage with the 2 photos

How does a person go about comparing something with nothing?....

to see if the rifle is laying on its side, but that doesn't matter nearly as much as what happened to the strap?

The strap is right there on top of the stock ( Left side up) and Day grabs it and lifts the rifle.