LNers: Your Views of the Missed Shot?

[Steve Taylor]

1.) Who said there were three shots? What if there were only two?

a. 3 shell casings in the alleged SN, the majority of earwitnesses, the original FBI report
b.  Someone planted 1 too many shells in the SN

[Jerry Organ]

First, a general trend in the frames 194-206 may be noted. Beginning as early as frame 194, the President's body seems to undergo a motion forward and to the left. This motion, which can be visually approximated to be on the order of six or seven inches, seems to begin in frame 194 and continues through about frame 200. The President seems to move away from the seat back and tilt to to the left, away from the window ledge.

Z194 and Z200 are not optimal frames to anchor the above claim made by Olson and Turner. Z194 is blurred and Z200 has the top of a sign post between Kennedy's left shoulder and the camera.
Z193 and Z198 are fairly clear, and show none of the major changes claimed by Olson and Turner. Z198 has some horizontal blur; allowing for that, the sun-struck area between Kennedy's left shoulder and the dark triangular shape on the black seat appear similar. Kennedy just appears to gradually lower his right arm, bending at the elbow.

[John Iacoletti]

Despite weirdly prevalent assertions to the contrary, a ?shallow back wound? is physically impossible.   

No it isn't.  What an absurd claim.

[John Iacoletti]

Which "variation" of the SBT was proposed during the autopsy? I've never read that happened. From what I've read the autopsy doctors never considered the wounds on Connally. Why would they? Their job was to determine the cause of the injuries to JFK not Connally. Moreover, Humes said (the JAMA article, for example) they couldn't figure out where the bullet that entered the back went to. It wasn't until the next morning when he called Perry and learned that the tracheotomy covered a wound to the throat that he concluded it had exited there.

That was the story.  But Dr. Robert Livingston said he called Humes prior to the autopsy and told him about the throat wound.

[John Iacoletti]

Actually, these images show us a lot. They show us that CTers can see gunmen in almost any image from Dealey Plaza taken on November 22, 1963. They don?t tell us a lot about what happened. But they give us lots of insight into the minds of CTers.
I wonder if while in Kindergarten, if they could always spot Waldo immediately, but usually in the wrong place.

You know what nobody sees in any image from Dealey Plaza taken on November 22, 1963?

Lee Harvey Oswald.

[John Iacoletti]

1.) Who said there were three shots? What if there were only two?
2.) The problems with a shallow back wound: a) Ruby shot Oswald with a snub-nose .38 special revolver. It's not a particularly penetrating projectile. Still, the bullet went from one side of Oswald to the other. A rifle bullet at any normal velocity would go at least as far. b)According to the Edgewood tests, the 6.5 Carcano bullets they tested only lost 400fps travelling completely through a simulated human neck made of meat covered with goatskin. Other experiments had determine that it takes a rifle-caliber steel ball about 150fps just to penetrate the skin. So a bullet that only burrows in an inch or so to the body is going to impact JFK travelling on the order of 200-400ft/sec. At 200ft/sec a bullet fired from 200ft away has a 1 second flight time, and will drop 1/2*(32.2ft/s/s)*1s = 16 feet. A bullet travelling at 400ft/sec will fly for 0.5sec and similarly drop 4 feet. So, to hit JFK with suck a pokey projectile, the shooter would have to be aiming for a point several feet above JFK's head, which doesn't make sense. c.) If the bullet was stopped by the spine, it would have caused severe damage to the vertebra.

So really what you mean is that it's physically impossible for a normal 6.5 bullet fired from a Mannlicher Carcano rifle from the SE corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD and directly hitting JFK's back to have created a "shallow back wound".

[Mitch Todd]

a. 3 shell casings in the alleged SN, the majority of earwitnesses, the original FBI report
b.  Someone planted 1 too many shells in the SN

The rifle being brought into the building with an empty shell casing already in the chamber would account for two shots and three casings. Cycle the bolt once to eject the empty and load the rifle, fire, cycle bolt again, fire, cycle again, decide not to shoot. 3 shells, two shots, one live bullet in the chamber.

[Steve Taylor]

That was the story.  But Dr. Robert Livingston said he called Humes prior to the autopsy and told him about the throat wound.

At 3:30 PM CST, UPI, quoting PH doctor Perry, said "There was an entrance wound below the adam's apple.  There was another wound on the back of his head."  This info went nationwide.  It seems unlikely that the people at Bethesda did not hear about this.  Other things also make this teletype interesting reading.

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