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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #416 on: February 09, 2018, 02:55:05 AM »
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Nice cherry-picking.

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. "Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that

Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.....

Mr. BELIN - I am handing you a jacket which has been marked as "Commission's Exhibit 163," and ask you to state whether this bears any similarity to the jacket you saw this man with the gun wearing?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say this looks just like it.   <--- Note that CE163 was the dark blue jacket found in the Domino room

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. How is it different?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket here Commission's Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that you saw across the street with a gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes; it sure does. Yes, that is the same type jacket. Actually, I thought it had a little more tan to it.

Nice edit.

Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.





This is why it's so easy, on one hand you endorse Markham as a Screwball then you use her as your eyewitness?

Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.....


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Nice cherry-picking.

There's no cherry picking, my original statement is as true today as it was 54 years ago, all those eyewitnesses said Oswald was wearing a light coloured jacket and the slight variations that you cling to are completely understandable due to the outside vs inside lighting and even when outside the jacket will appear to have a slightly different shades. Btw show me one murder case in the history of the world where the killer was freed because of a slight clothing shade variation?



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Nice edit.

Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.

She was looking directly at the jacket and positively identified it and if in her language she said it was a shirt, trousers or a concrete mixer, that's all irrelevant, she saw Oswald's jacket and identified it as belonging to Lee. Case Closed!



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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #417 on: February 09, 2018, 03:31:53 AM »
Again, this testimony was held in private so how do you know he wasn't shown a white jacket?

Maybe he was shown this white jacket:


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« Reply #418 on: February 09, 2018, 03:51:15 AM »
The point is -- you can't show that a gray jacket was shown to him.

 Here is the jacket that was shown to him:




Sure looks gray to me. It's even labeled as being gray.
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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #419 on: February 09, 2018, 03:52:44 AM »
Sadly for you, there is a report by a DPD Sergeant that says he spoke with SS agents at the Jefferson Branch Library.




OK Rob, without any corroboration apparently someone in a Library said they were an SS agent, So what?



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« Reply #420 on: February 09, 2018, 03:59:20 AM »
What's your evidence for the claim that he was shown that jacket? Beyond the WC said so of course.

What's your evidence that  a DPD Sergeant wrote in a report that he spoke with agents from the SS?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #421 on: February 09, 2018, 07:56:38 AM »
Not really.  Lee didn't tell his employer where he lived.  He was living on Beckley under an assumed name.  Not even his wife knew where he was living.  Even if he thought they could have suspected him as early as 12:34 PM, why would he think they would know about the Beckley room 20 minutes later?

Why was he living under an assumed name...

Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #422 on: February 09, 2018, 11:53:37 AM »

You're just jealous that it might not have been you?

What question???, all I see is the Manager of managers getting his knickers in a knot because he's getting his arse kicked! Boo Hoo!

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So predictable.... When little Johnny gets himself in a jam he turns nasty. Kindergarten stuff!

Just too afraid to admit that he screwed up because he knows full well that nobody ever asked Tim to ignore any part of Westbrook's testimony.

Pathetic!
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« Reply #423 on: February 09, 2018, 01:05:57 PM »

Ok. So, Westbrook's word is good enough after all. That was a quick turnaround. It's nice to see that you've seen the light on that.


You're missing the point, Tim. It's pretty obvious to me that you are doing that on purpose and for a reason, but let's pretend for now that I did not notice that.....

The whole thing comes down to one man; Pinky Westbrook! You either believe him or not, because there is no corroboration for anything he says and the facts are against him.

Let's examine what we know. 

When the jacket was found it was described as white by not one but two officers and DPD radio gave out a description of the suspect of Tippit's killer (likely obtained from an unidentified witness) that had him wearing a white jacket.

All the mumbo jumbo Mytton "science" about different colors under different shades of sunlight do not apply, because the car park was an open area and the jacket was found on the middle of a bright sunny day and, according to the two officers, it was white.

Now, Westbrook's tale begins. As fas as I can tell, Westbrook never wrote a contemporary report about his activities in 11/22/63. Months later, he tells the WC that somebody, possibly a police officer, who he can not identify, found the jacket and pointed it out to him. Westbrook then takes the jacket, not leaving it in situ, so that when W.E. Barnes of the crime lab arrives there is nothing to photograph but a parked car.

Somehow sounds familiar, doesn't it? Evidence being presented that was found by somebody we don't know and was never photographed in situ.

Anyway, by the time Barnes arrives the jacket is apparently already gone because he never sees it. Westbrook tells the WC that he gave the jacket to another officer, who he also can not identify, before leaving the carpark to go to the Texas Theater.

So, we don't know how the jacket came to be under the car (if it ever was), who really found the jacket nor do we know how it got to the police station.

Next we learn that, according to an unsigned or countersigned receipt of the Identification bureau, Westbrook is submitting a gray jacket to the CSSS, which has the initials on it of W.E. Barnes and G.M. Doughty, which at best is odd because neither Barnes or Doughty were involved in the chain of custody for the jacket. In his WC testimony, Barnes confirms that he initialed the jacket at the station at around the same time the revolver was being initialed. Btw the revolver also has intitials on it from officers who were not actually involved in the chain of custody.

In other words, the entire "chain of custody" is just one man, Westbrook, who never really had custody of the jacket.... and low and behold it's the same Westbrook who is at the center of the controversy over the wallet that was found at the Tippit scene. It was Westbrook who, according to FBI agent Bob Barrett, was holding and going through that wallet and asked him if he had ever heard of Lee Harvey Oswald or Alek Hidell.

So we have a gray jacket and a revolver being initialed at the police stations by officers who were not involved in the chain of custody and who had no way of knowing where those items really came from and we have a wallet from the Tippit scene that morphes into a wallet taken from Oswald in the car by Paul Bentley, who in turn claims that wallet contained a credit card and a drivers license.

And in the middle of it all; Captain W.R. Westbrook of the DPD Personnel Office

Now let me ask you again, Tim.... Westbrook's word is good enough for you, right?

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