I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)

[Bill Chapman]

I guess Bill Chapman can't answer my questions.

I provided the link that addresses those questions. Seems you ignored that.

I guess some people aren't on this forum 24/7/365. I guess some people have more important things in their lives. I guess that some people can look up the science regarding things like 1963-era paraffin tests regarding gun crimes. You apparently cannot. I guess that some people dismiss the science out-of-hand in case what they find with honest research might turn out as inconvenient to their paranoid-driven pet theories.

Well?

[Rob Caprio]

Too bad for you that you tall foreheads can't charge the FBI with omitting the tests.

For verbatim explanations, visit the link I provided.

You've offered nothing but empty claims. If the paraffin test was "worthless" as you claimed then there was NO need to administer it or announce that LHO's hands tested positive to the media. And yet, that is what happened. End of story.

[Ray Mitcham]

For a quick review of Fred Litwin's book, have  look at  this essay.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-fred-litwin-the-beat-goes-on-part-2

[Thomas Graves]

Tracy,

On my personal evolution chart, I've gone from believing that "the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK ... to entertaining the idea that Oswald did it by herself ... to my current position that there WAS a conspiracy, but it wasn't by the CIA/Military Industrial Complex/Far Right, but ... gasp ... by Nikita Khrushchev & Co. and/or Fidel Castro & Co.

Or, as Ion Pacepa says, maybe Oswald was programmed/trained to be an assassin in the USSR, and was sent back to the U.S. in June 1962 to kill JFK. (Pacepa says Khruschev got "cold feet" and tried to call the mission off, but was unable to do so, and Oswald, like the Energizer Rabbit, just kept right on a-goin'.)

I started moving in the general direction that the Ruskies and/or The Bearded One did it after I read Tennent H. Bagley's "Spy Wars" and his "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," and Mark Riebling's fine book "Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA" a couple of years ago, and that fuzzy-warm feeling was reinforced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and the successful Russian "active measures" shenanigans during our 2016 presidential election campaign (which installed pro-Russia KGB/Mafia "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president, IMHO).

But my epiphany came a few months ago when it dawned on me that the KGB TRIPLE-AGENT James Angleton referred to as "Byetkov*?" in his June, 1975, Chutch Committee  testimony, and as "another hangnail" in his February, 1976, testimony, had to be the well-paid-by-the-Ruskies (WITH A HIGHLY REDACTED CIA "201" FILE) Soviet Embassy security guard Ivan Obyedkov (pronounced "ah-bee-ED-cough"), the dude who volunteered the WW III Virus-inducing name "Kostikov" to Oswald (or, more likely, Oswald's KGB or DGI impersonator) over the phone on 10/01/63.

That, plus the fact that another triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved FEDORA) had, for Hoover's and Angleton's and Bagley's "benefit," already implicated-by-association this Kostikov as a KGB Department 13 "wet affairs" officer by fingering Kostikov's and TUMBLEWEED's occasional contact, U.N. "diplomat" Oleg Brykin, as same.

-- Tommy 

PS  In a recent Facebook private message conversation I had with Bill Simpich, he agreed with my assessment that Angleton's "Byetkov*?" must have been this Ivan Obyedkov .

[W. Tracy Parnell]

Tracy,

On my personal evolution chart, I've gone from believing that "the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK" to entertaining the idea that Oswald did it by himself to my current position that there WAS a conspiracy, but it wasn't by the CIA/Military Industrial Complex/Far Right, but ... gasp ... by Nikita Khrushchev & Co. and/or Fidel Castro & Co.

Or, as Ion Pacepa says, maybe Oswald was programmed/trained to be an assassin in the USSR, and was sent back to the U.S. in June 1962 to kill JFK.

Pacepa says Khruschev got "cold feet" and tried to call the mission off, but was unable to do so, and Oswald, like the Energizer Rabbit, just kept right on a-goin'.

I'd been moving in the general direction that the Ruskies and/or The Bearded One did it after I read Tennent H. Bagley's "Spy Wars" and his "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," and Mark Riebling's fine book "Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA" a couple of years ago, reinforced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and the successful Russian "active measures" shenanigans during our 2016 presidential election campaign (which installed pro-Russia KGB/Mafia "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president, IMHO).

My epiphany came a few months ago when it dawned on me that the KGB TRIPLE-AGENT James Angleton was referring to in his June, 1975, and his February, 1976, Church Committee testimony as "Byetkov*?" and "another hangnail," respectively, had to be the well-paid-by-the-Ruskies (WITH A HIGHLY REDACTED 48-PAGE CIA "201" FILE) Mexico City Soviet Embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (pronounced "ah-bee-ED-cough"), the dude who volunteered the WW III Virus-inducing name "Kostikov" to Oswald (or, more likely, Oswald's KGB or DGI impersonator) over the phone on 10/01/63.

That, plus the fact that another triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved FEDORA) had already, for Hoover's and Angleton's and Bagley's benefit, implicated-by-association this Kostikov as a KGB Department 13 "wet affairs" officer by fingering Kostikov's and TUMBLEWEED's occasional contact, U.N. "diplomat" Oleg Brykin, as same.

-- Tommy 

PS  In a recent Facebook private message conversation I had with Bill Simpich, he agreed with my assessment that Angleton's "Byetkov*?" must have been this Ivan Obyedkov .

Hi Tommy, nice to hear from you. I always appreciated your work against the nonsensical H&L theory over at EF.

While I believe LHO acted alone for himself, I would definitely put your KGB theory above any CIA-did-it theories. I read Bagley's book and came away thinking that Nosenko could have been a false defector, a theory which puts me at odds with some LN advocates. He was either a false defector or alcohol had rendered him completely unable to remember simple details.

[Oscar Navarro]

Tracy,

On my personal evolution chart, I've gone from believing that "the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK" to entertaining the idea that Oswald did it by himself to my current position that there WAS a conspiracy, but it wasn't by the CIA/Military Industrial Complex/Far Right, but ... gasp ... by Nikita Khrushchev & Co. and/or Fidel Castro & Co.

Or, as Ion Pacepa says, maybe Oswald was programmed/trained to be an assassin in the USSR, and was sent back to the U.S. in June 1962 to kill JFK.

Pacepa says Khruschev got "cold feet" and tried to call the mission off, but was unable to do so, and Oswald, like the Energizer Rabbit, just kept right on a-goin'.

I'd been moving in the general direction that the Ruskies and/or The Bearded One did it after I read Tennent H. Bagley's "Spy Wars" and his "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," and Mark Riebling's fine book "Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA" a couple of years ago, reinforced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and the successful Russian "active measures" shenanigans during our 2016 presidential election campaign (which installed pro-Russia KGB/Mafia "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president, IMHO).

My epiphany came a few months ago when it dawned on me that the KGB TRIPLE-AGENT James Angleton was referring to in his June, 1975, and his February, 1976, Church Committee testimony as "Byetkov*?" and "another hangnail," respectively, had to be the well-paid-by-the-Ruskies (WITH A HIGHLY REDACTED 48-PAGE CIA "201" FILE) Mexico City Soviet Embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (pronounced "ah-bee-ED-cough"), the dude who volunteered the WW III Virus-inducing name "Kostikov" to Oswald (or, more likely, Oswald's KGB or DGI impersonator) over the phone on 10/01/63.

That, plus the fact that another triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved FEDORA) had already, for Hoover's and Angleton's and Bagley's benefit, implicated-by-association this Kostikov as a KGB Department 13 "wet affairs" officer by fingering Kostikov's and TUMBLEWEED's occasional contact, U.N. "diplomat" Oleg Brykin, as same.

-- Tommy 

PS  In a recent Facebook private message conversation I had with Bill Simpich, he agreed with my assessment that Angleton's "Byetkov*?" must have been this Ivan Obyedkov .

Or, as Ion Pacepa says, maybe Oswald was programmed/trained to be an assassin in the USSR, and was sent back to the U.S. in June 1962 to kill JFK.


That would implicate the State Dept. as it was in their power to accept or reject Oswald's re-entry into the USA and that would implicate the Justice Dept. as it was in their power to have placed Oswald under arrest for threatening to divulge secrets to the USSR. I'm pretty sure the Ruskies wouldn't have wasted their time and treasure in turning Oswald into a zombie assassin when they couldn't be sure they could get rid of him.


Another unrelated but critical piece to solving this puzzle. How would you explain Oswald having obtained the job at the TSBD. Was it part of the conspiracy or just plain dumb luck?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Or, as Ion Pacepa says, maybe Oswald was programmed/trained to be an assassin in the USSR, and was sent back to the U.S. in June 1962 to kill JFK.


That would implicate the State Dept. as it was in their power to accept or reject Oswald's re-entry into the USA and that would implicate the Justice Dept. as it was in their power to have placed Oswald under arrest for threatening to divulge secrets to the USSR. I'm pretty sure the Ruskies wouldn't have wasted their time and treasure in turning Oswald into a zombie assassin when they couldn't be sure they could get rid of him.


Another unrelated but critical piece to solving this puzzle. How would you explain Oswald having obtained the job at the TSBD. Was it part of the conspiracy or just plain dumb luck?

That's a good point - i.e., that the Soviets couldn't be sure that the US would take him back. Although there were other defectors at or near that time that had returned/been accepted.

The US, as I understand it, was obligated to accept his request to return. He never formally renounced his citizenship so he was still an American citizen with all of the guaranteed rights extended to them. Would the Soviets understand this? That is the US would have to take him back? I think probably so, especially if they were training him for some sort of intelligence work.

Additionally, the Justice Department did look into whether he could be prosecuted for any crimes and determined that they had no evidence for it (see the HSCA report on this). Threatening to divulge secrets is, apparently, not a crime. Although it is interesting that Oswald asked the US Embassy official that he talked with whether he, Oswald, could receive any guarantees about not being prosecuted upon his return. He was certainly worried about it.

The Mailer book - "Oswald's Tale" - included numerous conversations/interviews he did with about 18 or so Belarus KGB agents assigned to monitor Oswald. He also quotes extensively from taps and other primary sources that were made available to him. If all of that is true then the KGB viewed Oswald with suspicion and didn't consider using him for any intelligence work, that he had no aptitude for anything. When he decided to return to the US - and the KGB learned about it almost immediately - their reaction was one of relief. They were glad to see this nuisance leave.

[Thomas Graves]

Tracy,

"With all due respect," if you believe it might have been excessive drinking and/or stress that made it impossible for Nosenko to remember details and caused him to change his story so often, then I think you need to re-read Bagley's book "Spy Wars" (and his pdf "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," if you've already read it, that is -- if not, then read it right here for the first time!).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362 

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Regardless, maybe THIS will impress all of the Nosenko apologists out there -- After reading Bagley's books "Spy Wars" and "Spymaster" (the latter with former senior KGB officer Sergey Kondrashev), Professor John M. Newman (author of "Oswald and the CIA" and true believer in the theory/religion that the "evil, evil, evil" CIA killed JFK) came to the realization about a year ago that Yuri Nosenko really was a false defector, and Anatoliy Golitsyn really was a true one.

Period.  Full stop.

Here's the first part of Newman's "Spy Wars" (based on Bagley's book by the same name) presentation in San Francisco last March.
(Note: That's incredulous Peter Dale Scott sitting next to him, and Bill Simpich sitting next to Scott.)

And here's the second part:

Enjoy,

--  Tommy

PS  Yeah, I like Z Z Top and The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin and ...