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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #336 on: December 29, 2018, 03:34:22 AM »
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"Y'all"?

You mean all of us, and all of our in-laws, and all of their business associates going back five generations, and all of their wedding guests, too?

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Somebody's gotta do it, because it is doable.

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....Unfortunately for Clay Shaw, Vice-President of the "Mississippi Valley World Trade Council" was one William T. Walshe.

Mr. Walshe, in addition to being "Old Louisiana" descendent of Civil War veterans, was also a member of the upper--elete. IE: Boston Club; REX; etc.

In addition, Mr. Walshe was also one of the founding members of the "CRUSADE TO FREE CUBA".

Therefore, with his prior "OSS" service and continued "informant status" to the CIA, there was little difficulty in making it appear that Clay Shaw was some sort of "SPOOK" who was engaged in "something".

Not unlike "FBI" status; "CIA" status; etc; etc; etc;, everyone automatically thinks only of those things which they see on TV.

The OSS had literally hundreds of persons who worked in the "War Recovery" section, attempting to track down all of the gold; art; monies; jewelry; national treasures; etc; etc; etc;, which NAZI Germany had captured.

This was the extent of Clay Shaw's OSS assignment/work.....

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Mary Ellis Tack Carr?re ? 1917 ? 2010

...Her mother Mary Ellis Leake of New Orleans was the daughter of Hunter Collins Leake, chief counsel for Standard Oil and Illinois Central, prominent & beloved in the community, a former King of Carnival, Rex 1910; and Katherine Donelson Ellis of Magnolia Plantation....

July 3, 1936:

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William P. Burke, Jr.; Hunter C. Leake, III; Stephen B. Lemann (resident CIA Chief in New Orleans ? with Law Firm: Monroe & Lemann); Mrs. Dorothy Brandao

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Both the obituaries of CIA officers Burke and Ray managed to include the detail of their membership in the New Orleans country club long managed
by Ernest Gossom.:





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Coincidentally, I am sure (in keeping with the spirit of the topic and the book author...) CD Jackson and his best
friend who threw himself out of an upper story window in NYC just weeks after serving in Jackson's wedding party...
....Jackson assumed the position of his late friend with Time, Inc., after his sudden death, were schoolmates at
Hill School, Pottstown, with Walker Brainerd Spencer and his roommate, Phil Strong.

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 Body of Parker Lloyd-Smith of Fortune Found on Extension After ... Parker Lloyd-Smith, 29 years old, managing editor and one of the founders of Fortune, ...

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Aug 9, 2013 - His name is Philip Strong and he has boarded here in the Hamburg ... Leko will strike up an acquaintance with a fellow name Otto Fuerbringer....

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Princeton Alumni Weekly ? Volume 37 ? Page 607
1936 ? (April 16, 1937) ‎
Phil Strong is off on a two-year walking trip through Germany and Russia. If he doesn?t write a book about Russia, it will certainly be news?.

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?.In October 1943, it was proposed that OSS create a unit of psychologist and psychiatrists to evaluate the mental and emotional fitness of incoming personnel?..
?.. In August 1940, Strong was promoted to Major and ordered to active duty as Assistant to the Director of the marine Corps Reserve. By December he had a new job: Marine Corps Representative to the Strategic Information Section of the Navy?s Foreign Intelligence Branch.9

?109?

It was in this job that Major Strong caught the eye of William J. Donovan?..

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Gen. Philip Strong, Expert on U‐2, Dies - The New York Times
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Nov 25, 1971 - Strong, Philip G (Brig Gen) ... Philip Strong, Expert on U‐2, Dies ... years during World War II, General Strong was chief intelligence officer for ...

In an oral history available at the JFK Library, Pierre Salinger shared that JFK hated Fuerbringer....



https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000621349.pdf
Approved for release 09/23/2009

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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #337 on: December 29, 2018, 03:45:32 AM »
Somebody's gotta do it, because it is doable.



https://books.google.com/books?id=sRFbAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA3-PA27&dq=hill+school+brainard+roomed+phil+strong&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB6LiE4PjNAhUIcj4KHTgkBawQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=hill%20school%20brainard%20roomed%20phil%20strong&f=true


Coincidentally, I am sure (in keeping with the spirit of the topic and the book author...) CD Jackson and his best
friend who threw himself out of an upper story window in NYC just weeks after serving in Jackson's wedding party...
....Jackson assumed the position of his late friend with Time, Inc., after his sudden death, were schoolmates at
Hill School, Pottstown, with Walker Brainerd Spencer and his roommate, Phil Strong.



In an oral history available at the JFK Library, Pierre Salinger shared that JFK hated Fuerbringer....



https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000621349.pdf
Approved for release 09/23/2009



To: Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Scully,

My, my, my, how impressive!

-- Tommy  :)


A question for the moderator(s):

Are we permitted to make insane asylum-based jokes here?


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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #338 on: December 29, 2018, 04:55:03 AM »
Tom,
.......

A question for the moderator(s):

Are we permitted to make insane asylum-based jokes here?


I did not write this, the insane (your wording) grandson of Phil Strong wrote it. It was spring, 1937, USMC Reserve
Captain Philip G Strong was beginning a two year walking tour of  Germany and Russia. His guide in Berlin was
future Time magazine editor in chief, Otto Fuerbringer....
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I Never Knew My Grandfather, Only What He Pretended to Be
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Toby Barlow?s Babayaga is out this week from Farrar, Straus and Giroux, and follows the travels of a CIA agent posing as an ad executive CIA agent in Europe in the 1950s. What begins as a relatively straightforward operation quickly becomes something bigger, and weirder. Read an excerpt from the novel and see for yourself.

What you might not know are the life events that inspired Barlow?s story. Read on as the author tells us a tale about his grandfather, waiting on a German train in 1937?.

My grandfather sits on a train, waiting. It is early spring, 1937. His name is Philip Strong and he has boarded here in the Hamburg station, preparing to head to Berlin. Although I possess a volume of his letters from this trip, letters I have read many times, I am still not exactly sure why he is here.

He is 36 years old, a U.S. Marine Reserve Captain. But as a reserve officer, he is not travelling in uniform, instead he?s wearing an old tweed jacket. He has a bulky backpack stashed on the overhead rack. In his pocket is tucked his smoking pipe along with a small pouch of his treasured Dunhill tobacco.

Beside him sits a much younger man named Leko. They are on this sightseeing trip together. By all appearances, it is nothing more than that. They stay in youth hostels and ride on many trains such as this one, sitting back in the third class smokers.

It doesn?t make actually make sense that my grandfather would be here in any official capacity. He does not speak German or Russian, only a little French and only the most rudimentary Spanish. If the army had wanted someone to observe the European situation, they probably would have sent an agent who understood at least one of the various languages.

But it also seems too odd for him to be embarking on a journey with an itinerary that will take him through such a large number of the looming conflicts? many theaters. He will travel from Germany on to Poland, the Balkans, Russia, then down to Kabul and Tehran, driving from there over to Baghdad and Beruit before shipping off to the already jittery East.

Also, there?s the fact that he doesn?t know this young man sitting beside him very well at all. ?Leko and I are getting on well together ? we have likes in common with are being mutually discovered and so far have developed none which grate on each other,? he writes to his sister. It seems they are only socially connected, but not relatives and, until this trip, not friends. They do not agree politically, Leko, my grandfather reports, is pro-fascist, though my grandfather himself is not.

What is Philip Strong doing here? Maybe it is a bit of self-motivated opportunism. Perhaps he senses history coming and is cleverly placing himself squarely in its path.

Once they arrive in Berlin, Leko will strike up an acquaintance with a fellow name Otto Fuerbringer. This Otto fellow knows Berlin well so they all start travelling around town together. Otto is a Kansas City reporter, tall and handsome, my grandfather reports, a Harvard man. One day he will become the managing editor of Time Magazine. These are the sorts of people idly wandering around Hitler?s Germany in 1937, visiting all the various art museums, gardens and zoos (?the keeper who did the animal feeding was a born comedian.?)

Five years later, my grandfather will no longer be in the reserve, he will be very active. ....

Is not insane, the acceptance of the premise that Willard Robertson arrived in NOLA from New Haven, CT as middle aged
sales rep. for soon to fail Steelcraft Boats, soon left his wife and two kids, promptly marrying the 23 year old secretary
of the NOLA Steelcraft office, was driving the car in 1959 his young wife was killed in, and just happened to stay in business eight more years with his deceased wife's father, Ernest Gossom despite remarrying in 1962 and starting a
new family, founding and funding both INCA and Truth or Consequences and sponsoring Gordon Novel, on the way
to becoming, literally from scratch as the insane or incurious simply accept, to rise to multi-millionaire king maker of
both the McKeithen and Garrison political careers? Tooth Fairy probably has an authorative explanation...is he a member
here?

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....All of the other Volkswagen regional distributors were, to say the least, a cut above Robertson, both in wealth and in imported automobile marketing and servicing.
Charles Urschel, Jr. was step-brother of Tom and Earl F Slick. Willard E Robertson, Jr. was the employee of failing Steelcraft Boats of West Haven, CT in 1952. He is buried in New Hampshire.

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Oct 22, 1986 - Willard E. Robertson, Jr., and Marlin Head, 803 F.2d 136. ... Willard Robertson, Sr. married Sally Moss Robertson in 1935 and lived with her in Connecticut. ... In 1947, the family moved to New Orleans, Louisiana, where ...
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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #339 on: December 29, 2018, 05:01:33 AM »
I did not write this, the insane (your wording) grandson of Phil Strong wrote it. It was spring, 1937, USMC Reserve
Captain Philip G Strong was beginning a two year walking tour of  Germany and Russia. His guide in Berlin was
future Time magazine editor in chief, Otto Fuerbringer....
Is not insane, the acceptance of the premise that Willard Robertson arrived in NOLA from New Haven, CT as middle aged
sales rep. for soon to fail Steelcraft Boats, soon left his wife and two kids, promptly marrying the 23 year old secretary
of the NOLA Steelcraft office, was driving the car in 1959 his young wife was killed in, and just happened to stay in business eight more years with his deceased wife's father, Ernest Gossom despite remarrying in 1962 and starting a
new family, founding and funding both INCA and Truth or Consequences and sponsoring Gordon Novel, on the way
to becoming, literally from scratch as the insane or incurious simply accept, to rise to multi-millionaire king maker of
both the McKeithen and Garrison political careers? Tooth Fairy probably has an authorative explanation...is he a member
here?

Tom "Beautiful Mind" Scully,

Atta boy!

Now we're talkin' REAL Deep State!

Keep up the good work!

-- Tommy  :)
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« Reply #340 on: December 29, 2018, 06:09:16 AM »
I doubt the headmaster of the Hill School of Pottstown was the player moving these "chess pieces" around.
Merely the "doin's" of a blessed trinity with a perverse sense of humor?

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Rev. Meigs' son, John Meigs, became headmaster in 1876 at the age of 24. In the 35 years that followed, the School grew from an institution with two teachers and 20 boys to a school of 40 masters and 375 young men. From 1911 to 1914, Alfred G. Rolfe served as headmaster, succeeded by Dwight R. Meigs, from 1914 to 1922. In 1920, ownership of the School was transferred from the Meigs family to Hill alumni, marking the beginning of a new era of alumni loyalty and service.



NOLA CIA DomCon Office Chief Wm Burke was in the book...




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« Reply #341 on: December 29, 2018, 07:40:50 AM »
I doubt the headmaster of the Hill School of Pottstown was the player moving these "chess pieces" around.
Merely the "doin's" of a blessed trinity with a perverse sense of humor?



NOLA CIA DomCon Office Chief Wm Burke was in the book...






(Gasp)

oh

my

God


YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-- Tommy  :)
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« Reply #342 on: December 30, 2018, 07:45:22 PM »
 Brian, if you must know, I don't know if PM is really PW or not.
But I do want you to know that there is no way in God's Green Earth you are going to come back to the Ed Forum, at least not for a good long while.  You say the nastiest things about the Admins there. I don't know how many times I have seen you called James a B*****d on FB, etc.  You say on here that you want to sue him, and I have no idea how the heck you'd pull that off.  You do not have a right to be a forum member--it is a privilege--you have no legal ground on which to stand. 

I wouldn't care if you believe the Man in the Moon shot JFK--if you were a nice civil person, you could have stayed.  You are one of the most narcissistic posters I've ever seen.  The way you talk about your research has me rolling on the floor.  And usu if somebody disagrees with you, you  call them names. It does not mean that the person disagreeing with you is a liar.  You just get bent out of shape when someone disagrees.  You really need to ask yourself honestly, why you have been kicked off so many forums--it's not because of your research.

And the part about cursed by God--as if God is going to step on folk because they don't agree with you. Wow!!!! What an ego!  Hey, God knows the difference between a lie and  an opinion.


So you may be presenting at Lancer next year? Bully! Try not to be so haughty when you go--you'll do a better job. 

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« Reply #343 on: December 30, 2018, 08:42:13 PM »
Kathy, since you have commented in your capacity of *d *orum "poobah" it seems appropriate to remind you of
the lack of sagacious or apologetic virtues exhibited by you and the rest of your "team". Ironically, your comments
directed in this thread at Albert/Brian/Ralph are of persuasively greater weight because they seem so out of character,
compared to what I have come to expect!

Those of comparatively larger pulpits may unite to magnify their version, but are no match for facts less loudly presented.
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The Autodaf of Lisa Pease and James DiEugenio Tomas de Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition return in a new era of suppression of freedom of thought and adherence to a rigid dogma - namely their own prejudices!
By Peter Janney

July 6, 2012
...It doesn't seem to matter to Pease that "Mitchell" has never been able to be located since the trial,..

Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1510708936
Peter Janney - 2016 - ‎History
 ... written by a DiEugenio prot?g? whose name, I discovered, was Tom Scully, but ...

......I haven?t missed the point, Evan; I believe you may have missed mine.

There is much evidence open to debate, because it can be construed more than one way. That?s fair game. It?s a difference of opinion that makes a horse race, they say.

However, just as a recent example, Paul Trejo asserted that there were 20 witnesses to Oswald?s abuse of his wife Marina. Were he merely ignorant of the actual facts - which is a recurring pattern with him, as I?ve demonstrated - that doesn?t make him a xxxx; it merely means he?s wrong and needs to be corrected.

In order to correct his blatant misrepresentation of the facts, I meticulously searched through the testimony and demonstrated beyond doubt that most of the people Paul Trejo included in his ?20" figure had no such direct first-hand knowledge and did not testify as he said they did.

Nevertheless, and despite acknowledging the "20" figure was overstated, Paul Trejo thereafter still contended there were twenty witnesses. At this point, it is no longer a mistake - because he?s been shown and admitted the error of his ways - and is an outright falsehood. Fairly clear instance, wouldn?t you think? I raise the point because I think there is a parallel with the Janney episode.

A few observations which I?ll try to keep brief.

From the little bit of correspondence we?ve had during the eight years I?ve been a member here, I believe John Simkin to be a liberal egalitarian who felt he could construct the single best and most effective JFK site by inviting the best researchers and authors. A laudable goal, and one he achieved I think. (It is a measure of his liberalism that he has granted membership to persons such as Jim DiEugenio, who had written some unflattering things about John prior to joining here.)

Because authors were invited by John, he no doubt hoped that they?d be treated with civility by the Forum membership. Contrary to the analogy offered, I don?t think this is John?s living room, but his classroom. He has invited visiting lecturers, through whom we might benefit by learning more, and they might benefit by selling some books.

Unfortunately for some of those authors, the membership here proved to be as well versed - or more so - than the authors who presume to educate us. Fireworks is predictably inevitable, particularly if authors expected deference rather than civility. Haughtiness ensues, due to wounded pride. But whom should we fault for this? The authors, whose case has not been made beyond a reasonable doubt? Or the members who point out that failing on the authors? part?

This is multiply true in the case of Peter Janney?s book. John Simkin not only invited Peter here, but I believe provided him with some material aid in preparing his book (please correct me if I?m wrong on this), and subscribes to the book?s central premise that CIA murdered Mary Pinchot Meyer. (As it happens, I am inclined to concur with that assertion. That does not require me - or anyone - to accept Janney?s scenario for the crime if compelling evidence is not presented.)

Both the ousted members found reasonable fault with Janney?s book and demonstrated that some of the evidence presented was underwhelming at best, incorrect at worst. In fact, ex-moderator Tom Scully seemed to have located the man Janney accused of being Mary Meyer?s murderer, a man whom Janney himself claimed he was unable to find. Most of the comments made by the ousted members seemed fair game to me. But then, I don?t have a personal relationship with Peter Janney.

I believe that John has inadvertently admitted that he put his thumb on the scale in Janney?s favour:

?The main reason I did not act on this was because I was part of the argument. If I had tried to restrain these attacks I would have been accused of being biased and interfering with free speech. Even so, it was no real excuse for not protecting a friend.?

If a friend has been proved wrong, as I believe Janney had been by the ousted members, he doesn?t need protection; he needs correction. If he is unwilling to be corrected when shown persuasive evidence by forum members, a true friend shares some harsh truth with him. The alternative is to allow said friend to flail fruitlessly with a demonstrably flawed scenario, an allowance that does no favor to the friend, or the truth. Those who persist in pushing data they know to be wrong are no longer merely mistaken; they are trafficking in falsehoods. It is a disservice to this Forum?s raison d?etre to remain silent in such a case, irrespective of who the trafficker may be.

Those who refused to remain silent were the ones made to pay the price of excommunication, well after Janney ceased to post here.

I have written the foregoing to respond to something directed specifically to me. If DiEugenio and Scully are not re-instated as members, it will be my last post here, for reasons I think I have made sufficiently clear.

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