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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #336 on: September 15, 2019, 05:00:44 AM »
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Ozzie was considered a rather poor shot by the Marine Corp.

They said so in a letter sent from the Marine Corp commandant to the WC.

There are no "poor shots" in the Marines.

They train on targets 200, 300, and 500 yards away.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/marine-corps-weapons-qualification-course.html

The fatal head shot was about 75 yards from the sniper's next (on the sixth floor of the TSBD), iirc.

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #337 on: September 15, 2019, 05:28:47 AM »
There are no "poor shots" in the Marines.

They train on targets 200, 300, and 500 yards away.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/marine-corps-weapons-qualification-course.html

The fatal head shot was about 75 yards from the sniper's next (on the sixth floor of the TSBD), iirc.

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Notice on 6May59 at MCAS El Toro on the "B" course he scored 191 with an M1.

Also notice that 191 is the lowest score you can get and still qualify for the lowest skill level 'Marksman".

"The Marine Corps is of the opinion...…….a low "Marksman" qualification indicates a rather poor "shot".




Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #338 on: September 15, 2019, 05:33:03 AM »
Notice on 6May59 at MCAS El Toro on the "B" course he scored 191 with an M1.

Also notice that 191 is the lowest score you can get and still qualify for the lowest skill level 'Marksman".

"The Marine Corps is of the opinion...…….a low "Marksman" qualification indicates a rather poor "shot".





Craig,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but like they say, "everything is relative".

There are no "poor shots" (by civilian standards) in the Marine Corps.

--  MWT  ;)
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #339 on: September 15, 2019, 05:55:41 AM »
Craig,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but like they say, "everything is relative".

There are no "poor shots" (by civilian standards) in the Marine Corps.

--  MWT  ;)

I don't think you need to worry about bursting anyone's bubble.

The Marine Corp considered LHO a "rather poor shot" shooting at stationary targets with a well maintained M1.

JFK was a moving target.

The Carcano was a worn, rusty WW11 military surplus rifle with a misaligned scope, sticky bolt and 2 stage hair trigger.

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #340 on: September 15, 2019, 06:51:26 AM »
Craig,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but like they say, "everything is relative".

There are no "poor shots" (by civilian standards) in the Marine Corps.

--  MWT  ;)
Relative would be if Oswald had done it, but since we know he did not relative does not apply. 

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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #341 on: September 15, 2019, 08:50:40 AM »
Relative would be if Oswald had done it, but since we know he did not relative does not apply.

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, Kleinschmidt.

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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #342 on: September 15, 2019, 10:12:15 AM »
When assessing Oswald's rifle skills two factors need to be taking into account: Reguly army qualifies on 300m targets. USMC qualify on 500m targets. Also, qualification standards are tougher in the USMC.
As you can see from the scoring below, scoring marksman in the Marines is pretty close to scoring sharpshooter in the Army, but qualifying expert is about the same in the Army & Marines.

Army:
23/40 (57%) = marksman
30/40 (75%) = sharpshooter
36/40 (90%) = expert

Marines:
190/250 (76%) = marksman
210/250 (84%) = sharpshooter
220/250 (88%) = expert
Oswald was a good shot not only compared to civilians but also compared to regular army rifleman.

Oswald's first rifle scores and Charles Whitmans USMC rifle scores are pretty much identical. On 1st August 1966, Whitman shot dead 11 people and wounded 31 others, from 28 floors up. Although Whitman's weapons were far superior to Oswald's and can't be compared, this does show that claiming Oswald to be a 'bad' shot based on his USMC qualification scores is prepositions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
“Every Marine a Rifleman”
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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #343 on: September 15, 2019, 12:39:22 PM »
Regarding the off topic post above..every marine recruit in that era was required to qualify with rifle skills [M1 carbine]...if they had to stay up all night...every night to do it. The idea that to qualify once made someone a crack shot for life with any old crappy rifle at all is ludicrous ::)

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Re: Why Would LHO Choose His Workplace As The Location For Shooting JFK?
« Reply #343 on: September 15, 2019, 12:39:22 PM »