If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?

[John Mytton]

At that point the car is about 200 feet from the SN.  Sound travels 1127 feet per second. The bullet travels 2000 fps. Bullet strikes 100 ms after firing. Sound arrives about 177 ms after, or about 1.5 frames (77 ms) after the bullet strikes.

Yeah you're right, thanks. So a couple of frames after Kennedy was hit at Z223, Connally would hear the shot at Z225?

JohnM

[Howard Gee]

When your post is totally off topic and takes ages to scroll through then yes that's the very definition of spam.

Go look at my posts in this thread and see a plethora of images and neat stuff whereas again you spam with crap and don't address the topic.
You think you run the place!

JohnM

 

Caprio apparently doesn't understand what a pain the butt it is to scroll past his page long diatribes.

Not surprising. He still doesn't understand why page after page of links to his series were removed in order to make the forum more readable.

But what can you expect from a guy that can't determine what year a death occurred in even after being shown a gravestone, death certificate and newspaper article proving beyond any doubt precisely when the death occurred.

 

[John Mytton]

But what can you expect from a guy that can't determine what year a death occurred in even after being shown a gravestone, death certificate and newspaper article proving beyond any doubt precisely when the death occurred.

 

Caprio also thinks that Ruby didn't shoot Oswald and that Oswald's pubic hairs are fake.

JohnM

[Andrew Mason]

Yeah you're right, thanks. So a couple of frames after Kennedy was hit at Z223, Connally would hear the shot at Z225?

Well, he would have heard it less than 2 frames after the bullet struck JFK. The evidence is pretty consistent that it was the first shot that struck JFK. The first shot definitely occurred before z223. The last two were closer together and in rapid successsion. I can't tell by just looking at the zfilm when the shots occurred. The evidence indicates that JFK in z223 is reacting to being hitby the first shot that occurred before z202.

[John Mytton]

Well, he would have heard it less than 2 frames after the bullet struck JFK. The evidence is pretty consistent that it was the first shot that struck JFK. The first shot definitely occurred before z223. The last two were closer together and in rapid successsion. I can't tell by just looking at the zfilm when the shots occurred. The evidence indicates that JFK in z223 is reacting to being hitby the first shot that occurred before z202.

If the bullet struck both men at Z223 then a split second before Connally heard the shot Zapruder's camera would have snapped Z225 and imo Z225 would be too early to see any movement in Connally from the rifle sound.

The following Gif is Z frames from Z222-225 centered on Connally and I'm seeing Connally's torso dramatically twisting and Connally jacket reacting and all this is before Connally has time to react to hearing a shot at Z223. And also consider Kellerman who is just sitting there motionless as compared to Connally.



We know Zapruder heard the headshot and if we take a look at the frames following the headshot we see a sharp vertical reaction at the time Zapruder would have heard and then react to a rifle sound.



Then we can go back and see if we can find any other sharp vertical movements and in the same timeframe after both men appear to be shot, Zapruder does a similar reaction that can be observed at the headshot.



JohnM

[Allan Fritzke]

Where Nellie is looking ...

Towards Governor		Same		Same
Towards Governor		Towards Kennedy		Same
Towards Governor		Same		Towards Kennedy
Towards Kennedy		Towards Governor		Same

Seems more focused on the Governor. And her two brief looks backward could have been towards the Secret Service agents, as if trying to get them to do something.
The SBT scenario would have her looking at Kennedy just after the first shot (she's already turned her head enough, beginning in the Z270s, to see Kennedy in the Willis05 photo, with both eyes turned rightward). She said (at least once) that she was still looking at Kennedy when she heard the second shot. Arguably she's still turned enough to see Kennedy in the Z220s.

I would interpret Nellie's head movement from swinging her head around from gazing at the 2 mystery men at Z220 over to staring at the Governor and by Z259 assessing the damage of the President.    My original theory was that the umbrella man  was being used as a distraction to attract Connally and JFK's attention while the mystery man on Jacqueline's side pulled the trigger.  He is visible on your shown frame at Z236.  A partially rolled up window offers protection for Nellie who is keeping to the front of her seat.  The plank seat on which JFK and Jacqueline were on was in an elevated position at the time to allow a shot to come in from the LHS.   You can see the clapping motion of the mystery man turns into a rapid behind the back move. Those 2 are not standing side by side but one behind the other.  It certainly looks like a black object is in the front man's hand as it goes behind his back.   The plank seat was then lowered causing JFK to be moved lower, inferring that no bullets could have come from the side with the partially raised side window.

Connally being shot remains a large mystery.  There is no testimonial evidence from Nellie or him that matches even closely to what is seen on the Zapruder Frames.   Nellie by Z342 is in motion to move down to Kennedy's legs, well behind JC.  JC takes one last look back at Z394 to make sure the President is dead.   You can't mistake his face looking back! How badly was he really hurt?  As I said her testimony is bogus and the recollection of events from her point of view can't be farther than the truth.  She says she held her hand over his gaping chest wound (indicated center) in order to seal the "sucking" wound!

It is really too bad that Jacqueline couldn't have spoken the truth and made statements - but she kept quiet for the sake of the country.  A coup d'etat -an inside job would have exposed a very large corruption ring and pushed the country at that time into turmoil - that couldn't happen.  I just wonder if Trump will be allowed to follow through with his unmasking.  The POTUS position is an old boy's club and if you aren't one of the Bush's or in the Bill Clinton camp, you are not to be sworn in as President!  At the very least you should be Skull & Bones to occupy such a position of prominence.

As I indicated before, the film editing isn't really that great and you can pick up where pieces were spliced in over heads on JC or obscured.  JC really was below the line of fire when Z330 shot came through the windshield and so was the front SS agent.   No one ever investigated the hit man rolling in the grass - a sure shot from that close - so sad! 

[Andrew Mason]

If the bullet struck both men at Z223 then a split second before Connally heard the shot Zapruder's camera would have snapped Z225 and imo Z225 would be too early to see any movement in Connally from the rifle sound.

Quite right. If JFK was hit by a bullet at z223, JBC's reaction at z225 could not be to the sound of it.

But that could also mean is that the shot that JFK is reacting to at z223 was prior to z223.  There is a great deal of evidence that the first shot struck JFK in the neck and that it was just after z186 and before z202.

The following Gif is Z frames from Z222-225 centered on Connally and I'm seeing Connally's torso dramatically twisting and Connally jacket reacting and all this is before Connally has time to react to hearing a shot at Z223. And also consider Kellerman who is just sitting there motionless as compared to Connally.

Again, you are assuming JFK was hit at z223. There is too much evidence that conflicts with that scenario.

We know Zapruder heard the headshot and if we take a look at the frames following the headshot we see a sharp vertical reaction at the time Zapruder would have heard and then react to a rifle sound.

Then we can go back and see if we can find any other sharp vertical movements and in the same timeframe after both men appear to be shot, Zapruder does a similar reaction that can be observed at the headshot.

Jiggle analysis is interesting but it has never been shown to be accurate in identifying shots. There are many more than 3 places where there are panning errors and jiggles.

Besides, I think you are reading too much into the difference between the two frames. He is moving the camera and the car is moving. Unless he is panning in a direction that perfectly matches the car, there is going to be a difference between frames of the car's position.

If you want to convince someone that there was an early missed shot and a second shot at z223, I would suggest that you could start by trying to find a reason not only why there is no evidence that JFK smiled and waved after the first shot (for 3 seconds, you say) but why there is so much evidence that he didn't - that he moved to the left with a blank look and moved his hands to his neck/chest.

[Howard Gee]

I personally do not believe CE 399 was "planted".

The damage to the windshield and the windshield chrome strip of the limo came from bullet lead, likely from the bullet that shattered JFK's head  at Z312/Z313.

I do believe we are making some progress here.

Since you don't believe 399 was planted, then how do you suppose it was found at Parkland ?

It certainly didn't fall off of JFK's gurney as that gurney was still in the trauma room that JFK was cooling off on.

Therefore, we know by the process of elimination that 399 must have been the bullet that wounded JBC. How else could it have gotten there ?

That wasn't hard was it ?

Now, let's deal with JFK's back/throat wound.

Since we know that no bullet was found in JFK's neck, we know that the throat wound had to be an exit wound.

We know this by the process of elimination. Since there is no exit wound for a bullet entering JFK's throat, and no bullet found in his neck, the inescapable conclusion is that the bullet which struck him in the back had to have exited through his throat, causing that wound.

This isn't speculation, it's fact.

So now we have established that a bullet entered JFK's back, passed through him, and exited his throat.

Next, we must ask what happened to the bullet that passed throught JFK.

Since there is no bullet found in the limo, we must conclude that the bullet that passed through JFK, went on to wound JBC, and was the one recovered at Parkland, CE399.

How else could it have happened ?

As I've said before, the application of a little common sense and logical deductive reasoning is all that's necessary to arrive at the SINGLE BULLET FACT.