If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?

[Joe Elliott]

 

He did not have to raise his hands at all. His hands were already in front of his chest. Look at where his hands are when he emerges from behind the sign (frame z224). Then look at the path from his neck tie knot where the bullet emerged to JBC's right armpit. How does it miss his hands or forearms?

If the SBT is true, and the experiments of Dr. Lattimer are valid, the coat movement at z224 indicates the bullet hit JFK and Connally at z222, one tenth of a second before.

Let?s look at frames z222 through z225:

z222:


z223:


z224:


z225:


In z222, the most critical frame, it is impossible to see where either hand is.

In z223, it is impossible to see where the right hand is, but the left hand is clearly too low, at about the level of Connally?s armpit wound.

In z224, we see JFK?s right hand, about lines up with the top of the leather seats.

In z225, JFK?s right hand has dropped a couple of inches.

Only in z225, is either hand, the right hand, at about the right level to intercept the bullet. And even this hand must be to far to his right. Try it yourself. Rest your right elbow on a chair so the elbow is a few inches lower than the shoulder, as JFK was positioned. Wave to the crowds on the left, lower your hand, then raiser to wave to the crowds on the right. At no point should even the fingers of your right hand get directly in front of your throat. Your fingers should not be quite long enough to reach there.

Also, if we assume what was happening, it appears JFK was waving to the crowds while behind the sign. As he was emerging from behind the sign, we can see he was done waving for the moment and was lowering his right hand. This is why is hand is lower in z225 than z224. If we extrapolate to z222, his right hand must have been much further higher. Way to high.

No competent umpire would call that a strike. That was a ball, too low and too outside the reach of his hand.

But really, I have only one question for you Andrew.

The best way to determine the truth is with Orthographic or Multiview drawings. Ideally two drawings, at z222, one showing a view from above and the other a view from the side. An example of an orthographic drawing is shown below.



With orthographic drawings from both sides, one can compare, for example, the angle the bullet makes with the limousine, as seen from the top view, with maps of Dealey Plaza.

The following webpage shows a couple of orthographic drawings of the SBT.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Single-bullet_theory

About halfway down the page is two Single Bullet Theory diagrams shown. The anti-SBT is shown about the Pro-SBT drawing. The Pro-SBT diagram properly shows JFK sitting well outboard of Connally, as we can tell from the Dave Powers film.

For some reason, CTers produce drawings that are obviously wildly off. They seem designed to fool people who don?t know the angles of Dealey Plaza, and who don?t check. For people that don?t check the angles they seem very convincing. A bullet path from the sniper?s nest seems to miss Connally by a lot. But more accurate drawings seem to indicate the bullet should hit near Connally?s armpit, both as seen from the top view and the side view.

Question:

Why don?t those who believe the SBT is false show accurate Orthographic drawings, and use these drawings to convince newcomers that the SBT is false.

In my experience, CTers are most reluctant to provide a link on the internet to such a diagram. They just provide excuses as to why they don?t need to do this. If the SBT was really false, such accurate orthographic diagrams would be power tools to show it is false.

[Andrew Mason]

In z222, the most critical frame, it is impossible to see where either hand is.

In z223, it is impossible to see where the right hand is, but the left hand is clearly too low, at about the level of Connally?s armpit wound.

In z224, we see JFK?s right hand, about lines up with the top of the leather seats.

In z225, JFK?s right hand has dropped a couple of inches.

Only in z225, is either hand, the right hand, at about the right level to intercept the bullet. And even this hand must be to far to his right. Try it yourself. Rest your right elbow on a chair so the elbow is a few inches lower than the shoulder, as JFK was positioned. Wave to the crowds on the left, lower your hand, then raiser to wave to the crowds on the right. At no point should even the fingers of your right hand get directly in front of your throat. Your fingers should not be quite long enough to reach there.

Also, if we assume what was happening, it appears JFK was waving to the crowds while behind the sign. As he was emerging from behind the sign, we can see he was done waving for the moment and was lowering his right hand. This is why is hand is lower in z225 than z224. If we extrapolate to z222, his right hand must have been much further higher. Way to high.

No competent umpire would call that a strike. That was a ball, too low and too outside the reach of his hand.

All you have done is make case that his right hand may not have been directly on the path from his neck exit wound to JBC's right armpit.  We don't know exactly where it was in z222.   So it is a conjecture that at z222 it was not close to the position seen in z224. But that was not the point I was making. I was making the point that the trajectory still doesn't work. "Even if the tumbling bullet was able to somehow miss striking JFK's hands..", the trajectory to JBC's right armpit is left to right whereas the bullet path is right to left.

But really, I have only one question for you Andrew.

The best way to determine the truth is with Orthographic or Multiview drawings. Ideally two drawings, at z222, one showing a view from above and the other a view from the side. An example of an orthographic drawing is shown below.



With orthographic drawings from both sides, one can compare, for example, the angle the bullet makes with the limousine, as seen from the top view, with maps of Dealey Plaza.

The following webpage shows a couple of orthographic drawings of the SBT.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Single-bullet_theory

About halfway down the page is two Single Bullet Theory diagrams shown. The anti-SBT is shown about the Pro-SBT drawing. The Pro-SBT diagram properly shows JFK sitting well outboard of Connally, as we can tell from the Dave Powers film.

For some reason, CTers produce drawings that are obviously wildly off. They seem designed to fool people who don?t know the angles of Dealey Plaza, and who don?t check. For people that don?t check the angles they seem very convincing. A bullet path from the sniper?s nest seems to miss Connally by a lot. But more accurate drawings seem to indicate the bullet should hit near Connally?s armpit, both as seen from the top view and the side view.

Question:

Why don?t those who believe the SBT is false show accurate Orthographic drawings, and use these drawings to convince newcomers that the SBT is false.

In my experience, CTers are most reluctant to provide a link on the internet to such a diagram. They just provide excuses as to why they don?t need to do this. If the SBT was really false, such accurate orthographic diagrams would be power tools to show it is false.

I have posted many times various projections from a 3D model that is a 1:1 scale model of the limo and Dealey Plaza.  I have also shown in various photos using sight lines and mapping those sightlines onto a scale model of the limo, that JBC is not inboard of JFK enough to put his right ampit to the left of JFK's neck exit wound, let alone the 4-5 inches required. JBC is in the middle of his seat.  That fact can be seen not only in the zfilm but also in photos on Houston as shown in this simple sightline analysis

[Bill Chapman]

 ;Dd

He did not have to raise his hands at all. His hands were already in front of his chest. Look at where his hands are when he emerges from behind the sign (frame z224). Then look at the path from his neck tie knot where the bullet emerged to JBC's right armpit. How does it miss his hands or forearms?

His hands, at his chest or not, wouldn't fists if he hadn't already been hit

[Andrew Mason]

;Dd
His hands, at his chest or not, wouldn't fists if he hadn't already been hit

I agree that he is reacting to his neck wound in z224. He has already been hit in the back/neck. The question is: when did it happen?  The SBT is predicated on a physical reaction of his face arms and hands within 100 ms of being wounded.  All I am saying is that his reaction is also consistent with being hit at z195 or so and a more gradual reaction as he realizes something is wrong and which suddenly becomes acute as he tries to breathe (z226 and after). Since a human normally takes about 12-20 breaths per minute, it is understandable why there might be a second or more after the bullet strikes before JFK tries to take his next breath.

[Rob Caprio]

We keep seeing CTs speculate that Kennedy's back bullet and the throat bullet must still be inside Kennedy but Connally's bullet ripped right through his torso and smashed ribs along the way, just as you'd expect from an assassination attempt.

Can any CTs explain why Kennedy's bullets broke no bones, had less distance to travel through flesh than Connally's back bullet but still stayed in JFK's body? Did physics take a holiday on the 22nd?

JohnM

We keep seeing LNers speculate that a bullet entered JFK at the base of his neck and exited through his throat, but nearly 55 years later they have failed to provide any supporting evidence for this claim.

[Rob Caprio]

Those who refuse to explain where the bullet went after it hit President Kennedy's upper-back and came out his neck beneath the adam's apple are "implying" the missile stayed inside his body.

Use the evidence to show that it came out of JFK's throat as the WC, and LNers , claim.

[Rob Caprio]

Tell us how to get a finger into the small wound channel produced by FMJ ammo

How do you know that the shallow wound observed was caused by a FMJ bullet?

[Andrew Mason]

We keep seeing LNers speculate that a bullet entered JFK at the base of his neck and exited through his throat, but nearly 55 years later they have failed to provide any supporting evidence for this claim.

There is abundant proof that a bullet entered his back and exited his throat. First of all, there was a hole in his throat that was observed by doctors in Parkland.  Second, there were slits in his shirt in the doubled button area under the tie knot and there was a nick on the underside left side of his tie knot.  There is no conceivable way anything but a bullet could have made that hole in his throat. For example, we can see in the zfilm that he was not stabbed with a tiny round pole.  If the hole in his throat was made by a bullet these holes were necessarily made by a bullet either entering or exiting.  The characteristics of the threads on these holes indicated that the holes in the shirt were made by an exiting bullet.  Since human necks are not known to spontaneously produce and expel bullets, this means that the bullet had entered JFK's neck from behind.