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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2018, 07:37:23 PM »
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We keep seeing CTs speculate that Kennedy's back bullet and the throat bullet must still be inside Kennedy but Connally's bullet ripped right through his torso and smashed ribs along the way, just as you'd expect from an assassination attempt.

Can any CTs explain why Kennedy's bullets broke no bones, had less distance to travel through flesh than Connally's back bullet but still stayed in JFK's body? Did physics take a holiday on the 22nd?

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We keep seeing LNers speculate that a bullet entered JFK at the base of his neck and exited through his throat, but nearly 55 years later they have failed to provide any supporting evidence for this claim.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2018, 07:40:17 PM »
Those who refuse to explain where the bullet went after it hit President Kennedy's upper-back and came out his neck beneath the adam's apple are "implying" the missile stayed inside his body.

Use the evidence to show that it came out of JFK's throat as the WC, and LNers , claim.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2018, 07:45:29 PM »
Tell us how to get a finger into the small wound channel produced by FMJ ammo

How do you know that the shallow wound observed was caused by a FMJ bullet?

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2018, 11:05:43 PM »
We keep seeing LNers speculate that a bullet entered JFK at the base of his neck and exited through his throat, but nearly 55 years later they have failed to provide any supporting evidence for this claim.
There is abundant proof that a bullet entered his back and exited his throat. First of all, there was a hole in his throat that was observed by doctors in Parkland.  Second, there were slits in his shirt in the doubled button area under the tie knot and there was a nick on the underside left side of his tie knot.  There is no conceivable way anything but a bullet could have made that hole in his throat. For example, we can see in the zfilm that he was not stabbed with a tiny round pole.  If the hole in his throat was made by a bullet these holes were necessarily made by a bullet either entering or exiting.  The characteristics of the threads on these holes indicated that the holes in the shirt were made by an exiting bullet.  Since human necks are not known to spontaneously produce and expel bullets, this means that the bullet had entered JFK's neck from behind.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2018, 11:06:23 PM »
Why don?t those who believe the SBT is false show accurate Orthographic drawings, and use these drawings to convince newcomers that the SBT is false.

You don't have any more basis than anyone else for declaring what an "accurate orthographic drawing" is.  They all involve guesswork and assumptions.  It's not like the Powers film was taken on Elm street or you have an actual overhead view of the assassination.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2018, 02:18:07 AM »
There is abundant proof that a bullet entered his back and exited his throat. First of all, there was a hole in his throat that was observed by doctors in Parkland.  Second, there were slits in his shirt in the doubled button area under the tie knot and there was a nick on the underside left side of his tie knot.  There is no conceivable way anything but a bullet could have made that hole in his throat. For example, we can see in the zfilm that he was not stabbed with a tiny round pole.  If the hole in his throat was made by a bullet these holes were necessarily made by a bullet either entering or exiting.  The characteristics of the threads on these holes indicated that the holes in the shirt were made by an exiting bullet.  Since human necks are not known to spontaneously produce and expel bullets, this means that the bullet had entered JFK's neck from behind.

And the words "supporting evidence" are totally ignored. Supposition and conjecture is all we get. It happened the way the WC said. Trust me.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2018, 03:57:28 AM »
All you have done is make case that his right hand may not have been directly on the path from his neck exit wound to JBC's right armpit.  We don't know exactly where it was in z222.   So it is a conjecture that at z222 it was not close to the position seen in z224. But that was not the point I was making. I was making the point that the trajectory still doesn't work. "Even if the tumbling bullet was able to somehow miss striking JFK's hands..", the trajectory to JBC's right armpit is left to right whereas the bullet path is right to left.
Yes, we don?t know exactly where the hand was in z222. Which means we can?t use the hand position to rule out the SBT.
However, a higher hand position at z222 is a more likely position than the z224 position. It is unlikely that JFK was waving at the crowd. Lowered his hand down to the z224 position, and held it there. And then resumed lowing it at z225. More likely, he was lowing his hand all during the z220-z225 sequence. Just like he did so many other times during that motorcade.
In any case, no matter what level his hand was at z222, the hand should be too far outboard, too far to his right, to be directly in front of his throat.  I?ve tried simulated casual waves and my fingers come up a couple in inches short of being in front of the throat.

I have posted many times various projections from a 3D model that is a 1:1 scale model of the limo and Dealey Plaza.  I have also shown in various photos using sight lines and mapping those sightlines onto a scale model of the limo, that JBC is not inboard of JFK enough to put his right ampit to the left of JFK's neck exit wound, let alone the 4-5 inches required. JBC is in the middle of his seat.  That fact can be seen not only in the zfilm but also in photos on Houston as shown in this simple sightline analysis
You have a horizontal angle of 13 degrees. My measurements from maps indicated that at z222, the angle should be 8.5 degrees. This would make a difference of 2.3 inches, horizontally.
Also, you have JFK too far inboard. Your diagram shows his right elbow barely reaching the side of the car. From the picture you provide, his elbow extends a few inches beyond. This makes more sense, because if his elbow barely reached the side of the car, it would often be slipping off the side of the car while he was resting it during that last 45 minutes.

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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2018, 06:23:42 AM »
Yes, we don?t know exactly where the hand was in z222. Which means we can?t use the hand position to rule out the SBT.
However, a higher hand position at z222 is a more likely position than the z224 position. It is unlikely that JFK was waving at the crowd. Lowered his hand down to the z224 position, and held it there. And then resumed lowing it at z225. More likely, he was lowing his hand all during the z220-z225 sequence. Just like he did so many other times during that motorcade.
In any case, no matter what level his hand was at z222, the hand should be too far outboard, too far to his right, to be directly in front of his throat.  I?ve tried simulated casual waves and my fingers come up a couple in inches short of being in front of the throat.
I don't know how you can say the right hand would be too far to the right in z222 when we cannot see it.  It seems to me that the arm and hand is between the throat exit wound location and JBC's right armpit in z224 because the right armpit is right of JFK's midline.
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You have a horizontal angle of 13 degrees. My measurements from maps indicated that at z222, the angle should be 8.5 degrees. This would make a difference of 2.3 inches, horizontally.
Also, you have JFK too far inboard. Your diagram shows his right elbow barely reaching the side of the car. From the picture you provide, his elbow extends a few inches beyond. This makes more sense, because if his elbow barely reached the side of the car, it would often be slipping off the side of the car while he was resting it during that last 45 minutes.
I have set the angle at 13 degrees because that is what it is at z195. It is actually a bit more than 13 deg. But that is not the point. The point is that JBC is in the middle of his seat and his right armpit is right of JFK's midline. Unless you can show that JFK is dramatically farther right in z222 than he is in z186 or on Houston or JBC is much farther left in z222 than in earlier frames, the trajectory from JFK's throat exit wound goes well to the left of JBC's spine.
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Re: If a bullet passed straight through Connally, why not Kennedy?
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