Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Walt Cakebread]

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.  It is the same rifle later found in Oswald's place of the employment.  His print was found on the rifle.  Sensing any theme? It's a slam dunk.   If you simply dismiss the evidence as the products of "lies", then, of course, nothing could ever be proven.   That is just going round in circles. 

The better CTer line of argument is to concede the evidence (i.e. Oswald owned this particular rifle and carried it in the bag to the TSBD) and focus on his whacky background.  There is no evidence to link him to any conspiracy but is much more difficult to rebut claims that perhaps Oswald was some low-level intelligence asset who got recruited into the plot and then hung out to dry.  But the pedantic nitpicking of a mountain of evidence against is laughable.   When Marina says, for example, that she saw "a rifle" and contrarians desperately spin that to try to find a way to claim she saw something made of wood, it destroys any credibility.  That is tin foil hat territory.

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.


That's good enough if you're a simpleton who doesn't question any of that superficial evidence....

"The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!"

You are serious....   So your point is:  This proves that Lee Oswald was the person who did not use the name Oswald ( and was not authorized to receive mail at that PO  box )  actually received that carcano .....And therefore he OWNED IT.... 

Don't you see how flimsy and weak your argument is?

We know that George De M was a close friend of Lee Oswald and George was wealthy while Lee was a pauper and had very little money to spend frivolously......   George would have had access to Lee's PO box, and could easily have received the rifle....He may have had to show verification that he was "Hidell"....... 

[Richard Smith]

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.


That's good enough if you're a simpleton who doesn't question any of that superficial evidence....

"The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!"

You are serious....   So your point is:  This proves that Lee Oswald was the person who did not use the name Oswald ( and was not authorized to receive mail at that PO  box )  actually received that carcano .....And therefore he OWNED IT.... 

Don't you see how flimsy and weak your argument is?

We know that George De M was a close friend of Lee Oswald and George was wealthy while Lee was a pauper and had very little money to spend frivolously......   George would have had access to Lee's PO box, and could easily have received the rifle....He may have had to show verification that he was "Hidell".......

So hostile.  What is it with CTers constantly using personal insults when confronted with facts and logic?  Very amusing.  The Klein's documents confirm that a MC rifle with a specific serial number was sent to someone using a known alias of LHO at his PO box.  That rifle was not returned to Klein's because it couldn't be delivered to Oswald as you suggest.  Do you think it is still sitting at the Dallas post office?  HA HA HA.  If not, then it must have been delivered to Oswald.  That is confirmed by the photos taken of him holding it.  It's unreal that anyone would struggle so mightily against reality.

[Michael Walton]

Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the funniest thing of all is there's no record of Lee ever having bought the ammunition for this gun. You can't shoot the alleged murder weapon without the bullets. And wasn't there a dent in one of the shell's lip found in the building? I mean, you'd think there was a defect with the gun and it would have made all three with a dent upon ejection, right?

[Richard Smith]

So you believe that a photo of Lee holding a carcano is proof that it's his rifle??   Do you have any documentation that proves that Lee Oswald was the "Hidell" who received the carcano at the Dallas PO?   How about a signed receipt ?    Surely the US PO would not have released  a parcel ( that was obviously a gun) without verification of the persons ID and a signed receipt.

A picture of Oswald holding the rifle outside his own apartment is pretty good evidence of his ownership of the rifle.  Particularly given the circumstances.  The rifle in the picture was one that he kept in his apartment in Neely St.  The picture was taken just outside that apartment.  He was not on safari or at some place where it might be possible that he was using someone else's rifle but at his residence.  Whose rifle do you think he might be holding outside his own apartment?  No one else was even present except Marina.  There is zippo evidence that anyone else gave him a rifle to hold in that picture.  How would a "signed receipt" - whatever that is supposed to mean in the context of a mail order rifle - change your view since you believe the Klein's documentation is forged etc?  Oswald had ID in the Hidell name.  How do you know that he didn't present that?  He would have had the card from his PO Box informing him of the package.  Most likely presenting that to the clerk would suffice.  Only someone with access to his PO Box could obtain the package notification card.  This was 1963. 

[Richard Smith]

Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the funniest thing of all is there's no record of Lee ever having bought the ammunition for this gun. You can't shoot the alleged murder weapon without the bullets. And wasn't there a dent in one of the shell's lip found in the building? I mean, you'd think there was a defect with the gun and it would have made all three with a dent upon ejection, right?

There is a record of his purchase of the rifle, but you apparently don't accept that.  What difference would a record of his purchase of the ammunition make to you?  Maybe there was such a record somewhere, but it was never found because Oswald used a different alias or it wasn't kept for months by whoever sold it to him.  Do you even know if they kept any records of ammunition purchases in 1963?  Are you really suggesting that the absence of such evidence somehow casts doubt on the mountain of evidence that links Oswald to the crime? 

[Walt Cakebread]

A picture of Oswald holding the rifle outside his own apartment is pretty good evidence of his ownership of the rifle.  Particularly given the circumstances.  The rifle in the picture was one that he kept in his apartment in Neely St.  The picture was taken just outside that apartment.  He was not on safari or at some place where it might be possible that he was using someone else's rifle but at his residence.  Whose rifle do you think he might be holding outside his own apartment?  No one else was even present except Marina.  There is zippo evidence that anyone else gave him a rifle to hold in that picture.  How would a "signed receipt" - whatever that is supposed to mean in the context of a mail order rifle - change your view since you believe the Klein's documentation is forged etc?  Oswald had ID in the Hidell name.  How do you know that he didn't present that?  He would have had the card from his PO Box informing him of the package.  Most likely presenting that to the clerk would suffice.  Only someone with access to his PO Box could obtain the package notification card.  This was 1963.

A picture of Oswald holding the rifle outside his own apartment is pretty good evidence of his ownership of the rifle.

Yes, a simple mind would accept that idea but a more inquisitive mind would ask:.... That seems to be a photo of Lee Oswald holding a carcano,....BUT ...is it the same carcano that was found in the TSBD after the assassination?   And simply because Lee Oswald has possession at the moment the photo was taken doesn't prove he owned the rifle.  The photo is obviously a "POSED"  photo like a carnival photo that is intend as a gag, to deceive the viewer ....  It's so blatantly a staged photo ( ( the inclusion of the communist publications is "over the top" ) that is obviously intended to deceive the viewer into accepting the unspoken message.... " Look at me . I'm a hard core communist revolutionary who is armed and ready to fight for the revolution.

What a CROCK!!...   Why would anybody scrutinize and examine the photo under a magnifying glas??

[Jerry Freeman]

But that's not the end of the story....There are now 4 BY photos....so even  if Marina had taken CE 133A  and 133B WHERE DID THE OTHER TWO PHOTOS COME FROM???

Also...What ever happened to the rest of that roll of film?
 No picture of Marina [maybe with the kiddo]? A family shot or so? Just very strange.

[Bill Chapman]

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