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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #128 on: October 27, 2019, 11:11:27 PM »
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Everybody who worked at the TSBD had a mysterious double.

The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mr. Molina," failing to refer to his real first name, which was Bertie. He was standing in the front entrance of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.

However, there was a second Mr. Molina who worked on the second floor of the Book Depository. His name was Joe Molina. The Warren Commission avoided mentioning this Mr. Molina like the plague. He was flown to Washington and interrogated by the Commission. His testimony was so devastating to their preconceived conclusion of Oswald's guilt that they buried all references to him. He said, "I was threatened to keep my mouth shut, or else."

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2019, 12:39:26 AM »
Don’t even get me started on the second Eddie Piper!

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #130 on: October 28, 2019, 12:49:22 PM »
For all we know maybe Oswald saw both Molinas!  :D

Oswald was merely the new Bill Lowery, Junie needed a new pair of shoes after all.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #131 on: October 28, 2019, 04:16:55 PM »
The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mr. Molina," failing to refer to his real first name, which was Bertie. He was standing in the front entrance of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.

However, there was a second Mr. Molina who worked on the second floor of the Book Depository. His name was Joe Molina. The Warren Commission avoided mentioning this Mr. Molina like the plague. He was flown to Washington and interrogated by the Commission. His testimony was so devastating to their preconceived conclusion of Oswald's guilt that they buried all references to him. He said, "I was threatened to keep my mouth shut, or else."

Anyone reading the testimony of "Mr. Molina" would naturally assume that there had been only one 'Mr. Molina'. In fact there were two: Mr. Bertie Molina and Mr. Joe Molina. Here, for the first time, is Joe Molina's story...


Where?.... is Joe  Molina's story?   I know that he was fired from his job at the TSBD shortly after the ambush murder.....Fired without cause.   But who knows,... Joe Molina may have gotten the Job in the TSBD in the same way that lee Oswald got placed in the TSBD....  Hoover may have wanted them "commies" in the place where the ambush was supposed to happen.   So after the assassination Molina was no longer needed in the TSBD.
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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #132 on: October 29, 2019, 07:02:58 AM »
The official story has Oswald exiting the front entrance about 3 minutes after the shots. At a time Bill Shelley was no where near the front entrance. Yet dumb'ass Oswald once again knowingly uses employees who were not in a position to support his alibi. Shelley was at City Hall that afternoon until 5pm. Oswald was seen by Lovelady and Williams, the latter rode in the same car as Shelley to HQ. There are images of Oswald walking right passed Lovelady.


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #133 on: October 29, 2019, 09:32:47 AM »
The official story has Oswald exiting the front entrance about 3 minutes after the shots. At a time Bill Shelley was no where near the front entrance. Yet dumb'ass Oswald once again knowingly uses employees who were not in a position to support his alibi. Shelley was at City Hall that afternoon until 5pm. Oswald was seen by Lovelady and Williams, the latter rode in the same car as Shelley to HQ. There are images of Oswald walking right passed Lovelady.

Indeed so, Mr Crow!

But the original official story--------i.e. the story put out by DPD on 11/22/63----------was that Mr Oswald had been seen and 'stopped' by a police officer at the front entrance immediately after the shooting. Later that evening this was turned into the second-floor lunchroom story.

Now!

Mr Oswald places himself in the second-floor lunchroom before the P. parade----------and will be corroborated by Ms Carolyn Arnold (and, so it would seem, by Ms Sarah Stanton).
Mr Oswald correctly places Messrs Jarman & Norman reentering the building.
Mr Oswald correctly places Mr Shelley out front.

Mr Oswald's claims as to his whereabouts, in short, stack up far better than the WC's claims as to Mr Oswald's whereabouts.

It is in this context that we must consider Mr Oswald's key claim that he "went outside to watch P. parade"!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #134 on: October 29, 2019, 09:51:18 AM »
Indeed so, Mr Crow!

But the original official story--------i.e. the story put out by DPD on 11/22/63----------was that Mr Oswald had been seen and 'stopped' by a police officer at the front entrance immediately after the shooting. Later that evening this was turned into the second-floor lunchroom story.

Now!

Mr Oswald places himself in the second-floor lunchroom before the P. parade----------and will be corroborated by Ms Carolyn Arnold (and, so it would seem, by Ms Sarah Stanton).
Mr Oswald correctly places Messrs Jarman & Norman reentering the building.
Mr Oswald correctly places Mr Shelley out front.

Mr Oswald's claims as to his whereabouts, in short, stack up far better than the WC's claims as to Mr Oswald's whereabouts.

It is in this context that we must consider Mr Oswald's key claim that he "went outside to watch P. parade"!  Thumb1:

Interesting that the Shelley comments are almost identical to those of Buell Frazier. Was out front with Mr Shelley who later told him to go home. Oswald the clairvoyant?

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #135 on: October 29, 2019, 09:53:38 AM »
Interesting that the Shelley comments are almost identical to those of Buell Frazier. Was out front with Mr Shelley who later told him to go home. Oswald the clairvoyant?

It's abundantly clear that Mr Oswald was KGB-trained in psychic cognition. Mr Graves has this case locked down!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #135 on: October 29, 2019, 09:53:38 AM »