Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242

[Walt Cakebread]

     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.

Excellent point Royell.....AND Chaney's reflection would not be seen on the hood of the Lincoln if he were back near the QM.



Robin, Thank you for posting this nice clear copy of Altgen's # 6

[Ray Mitcham]

Comparison view of the motorcycles.

[Walt Cakebread]

Comparison view of the motorcycles.

Thanks for your input, Ray....  Perhaps we can finally destroy the nonsense about Chaney being back by the QM  when the photo was snapped....

The photo casts serious doubt about the authenticity of the Z-Film, and that's why the WC apologists (aka LNers) are soilin their skivvies..

The photo also shows that the Lincoln would have been obscured beneath the tree at the time of the shot that JFK is reacting to.

[Royell Storing]

     This is a perfect example of another Created & Repeated JFK Urban Legend. Once again, done so by the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community. And it also explains why this Altgens photo is usually Cropped to chop off the headlight of the Chaney Motorcycle. That Altgens photo Un-Cropped resolves this Bogus 'issue" all by itself. 

[Nicholas Turner]

You can see people on the sidewalk through the window too and they are well behind both cars.

[Walt Cakebread]

Robin, I am sincerely thankful that you posted this copy of Altgen's #6.....



You can clearly see that the west corner of the Concrete pylon aligns with the center of the third window from the SE corner on the second floor of the TSBD.   And the street light aligns with the east side of the fourth window.    These points can be used to determine where the camera was located when the photo was taken.   

Chaney's left arm and hand is visible through the passenger window beside Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman....  You can even see Chaney's wrist watch behind his fingers which are gripping the motorcycle's handlebar.

[Chris Bristow]

Paul, when determining a line of sight you take objects that line up vertically in the foreground and background and plot them from overhead. From overhead it does matter what height anything is. It also does not matter how long the bike is. you only use a single point like Chaney's helmet and whatever single point is directly above his helmet in the background. If you want to find the location of the headlight you don't need the length of the bike, you just do a line of sight for the headlight itself.

[Walt Cakebread]

Paul.....You can see solid stationary objects in the Altgens photo that also appear on the plat.   The concrete pylon. the street light and the TSBD are objects that were / are ANCHORED to a known location.    It's a POC to see that the west corner of the concrete pylon aligns with the center of the third window from the SE corner, of the TSBD ....  That's just like aiming a rifle Paul...... Rear sight with front sight .....   You can draw a line from the center of that third floor window through the west corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass .    (Elsie Dorman was behind the third window on the fourth floor and her name is written on the plat)    Since the hood ornament of the movable object ( the Lincoln) falls on that line you can locate that car on the plat and you can locate Altgens  by drawing a line from the east side of the fourth window through the street light and on to the triple underpass.....The point that those two lines meet is the spot where Altgens was standing when he snapped the photo.