Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242

[Robin Unger]

Robin I accept your original argument but proving it through Altgens 6 alone is it's own puzzle, which is fascinating to explore. If the Z film was accepted it would also prove Chaney was not where they say he is cause he obviously is not there in z255.

Thanks Chris

Their rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that someone somewhere altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

I would ask them these question:

Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

If Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

Why wasn't Chaney excised from Altgens 6 ?

Why wasn't Chaney's motorcycles reflection taken off the back of the limo in Z-255

Some clean up operation, who was running the "Operation Remove Channey" the 3-stooges

Inquiring minds want to know . 

[Robin Unger]

The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.

Good plat Chris

I see the LOS line goes from the edge of the white colum, though the hood ornament, and on to Altgens standing location.

[Walt Cakebread]

The overhead is from June 24, 1964.
The Stemmons Sign had been removed.
The 5th set of lane markers from the east end of Elm appear to match the plotted lane markers.
Moving (JFK within the limo) along the LOS connecting Altgens, the lane marker and the horizontal structure (white in color) = a range from extant z250-z255 to match Altgen's 6.

Hi Chris....Thank you for presenting this ....However you've drawn the line across the concrete pylon at the east corner of the pylon....The LOS actually crosses the WEST corner.....and that moves Altgens camera position several feet to the north......

[Walt Cakebread]

That is a tough judgement call comparing Kellerman's arm. Check out JFK's Left hand. He must have been making a really tight fist because his knuckes are so white you can see each one clearly. Compare Chaney's hand to JFK and Chaney's hand looks smaller.

Robin, Thank you for posting this nice clear copy of Altgen's # 6

Robin, I believe there is no problem ...

Chris,  Chaney's hand seems to be the correct size when comparing it to Kellerman's head.....And If Chaney were back behind the Lincoln near the right front fender of the QM....his hand would not be visible because it would be behind Kellerman.

[Walt Cakebread]

Good plat Chris

I see the LOS line goes from the edge of the white colum, though the hood ornament, and on to Altgens standing location.

The hood ornament is a MOVING site. It is NOT fixed....  The location of the hood ornament can be determined by starting at the center of the third window of the TSBD and drawing a line through the WEST corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass    A second LOS line can be drawn from the east edge of the fourth window through the street light and on to the triple underpass and a third LOS line can be drawn from the east edge of the TSBD entrance through the tree and on to the triple underpass....   The point where that three lines intersect is the point where Altgens was standing when he snapped the photo.

[Royell Storing]

Thanks Chris

Their rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that someone somewhere altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

I would ask them these question:

Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

If Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

Why wasn't Chaney excised from Altgens 6 ?

Why wasn't Chaney's motorcycles reflection taken off the back of the limo in Z-255

Some clean up operation, who was running the "Operation Remove Channey" the 3-stooges

Inquiring minds want to know . 

           (1) Why do we Not See the JFK Limo make the turn onto Elm St on the Z Film? (2) Why does the JFK Limo SUDDENLY "Poof" Appear on the Z Film? There are other Missing Z Film images as the Limo travels down Elm St, but bringing those up now would only muddle The Issue currently under discussion. You're assuming the conundrum of Officer Chaney centers on Chaney. This is definitely not the thought of an "inquiring mind". It is the sole thought of a Closed Mind.  The Z Film is Not a portrait of Officer Chaney. It captured peripheral images vs that which researchers over the last 54+ years have foolishly & repeatedly Focused on. Open your Mind/Thought Process while also opening your field-of-vision. Of course, breaking away from those that have Told you How to think for several decades will result in your becoming an outcast. Just know that legitimately searching for the truth never comes without consequences. Man Up     

[Walt Cakebread]

           (1) Why do we Not See the JFK Limo make the turn onto Elm St on the Z Film? (2) Why does the JFK Limo SUDDENLY "Poof" Appear on the Z Film? There are other Missing Z Film images as the Limo travels down Elm St, but bringing those up now would only muddle The Issue currently under discussion. You're assuming the conundrum of Officer Chaney centers on Chaney. This is definitely not the thought of an "inquiring mind". It is the sole thought of a Closed Mind.  The Z Film is Not a portrait of Officer Chaney. It captured peripheral images vs that which researchers over the last 54+ years have foolishly & repeatedly Focused on. Open your Mind/Thought Process while also opening your field-of-vision. Of course, breaking away from those that have Told you How to think for several decades will result in your becoming an outcast. Just know that legitimately searching for the truth never comes without consequences. Man Up   

I believe the extant Zfilm was first seen by the pubic when Jim Garrison showed it on the Johnny Carson show.....Isn't that right?

At any rate the government kept that film under wraps for a decade....And they've been desperate to sell it to the trusting, naive, pissants ever since....   Some suckers still refuse to see that it's a damned fake.....

[Robin Unger]

When asked two simple questions you both duck and weave, and try to divert from answering my direct and specific questions ,so i will ask it again.

Your rationale for Chaney not appearing in Z-255 is that some one some where altered the frames to REMOVE Chaney.

(1)-Why on earth would anybody want  to Remove Chaney from the Z-film ?

(2)-If Chaney was removed from frame Z-255 how many other frames was Chaney excised from ?

If you can't answer these two simple questions, then your whole "Chaney was removed from the Z-frames  scenario" is just a dumb theory that hasn't been thought through very well.

A mystery "who dun it" in search of a motive.