1962 reaction to personality profile result in JFK's and in 2016 USofA's demise?

[Tom Scully]

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7065385

[?] unstable a personality as to be quite vulnerable to certain kinds of psychological pressure. The outstanding neurotic elements in his personality are his hunger for power and his need for the recognition and adulation of the masses. He is unable to obtain complete emotional gratification from any other source.? Whenever his self-concept is slightly disrupted by criticism, he becomes so emotionally unstable as to lose to some degree his contact with reality.? [His] egoism is his Achilles heel. The extreme narcissistic qualities of his personality are so evident as to suggest predictable patterns of action during both victory and defeat.

It appears 3X in my lifetime, miscalculation first by JFK and RFK, second by the strong 1972 election showing by Nixon,
and thirdly, the 2016 presidential vote, there have been overwhelming example of momentous misjudgment resulting
in the hammering of JFK, and then in two presidential elections voters literally hammered themselves.

The only thing that has changed is that personality traits once obvious to the Kennedys as grave threats to US national
security have later been venerated by enough presidential election voters to matter.

We are embroiled in a current crisis putting the actual future of the U.S. in doubt. Has the continued focus on the
Assassination of JFK been overtaken by current events to the degree it is merely a psychological refuge....now that
we venerate, elevate, and attempt to defend strikingly similar "evil" the Kennedy brothers recognized for what it
actually was, and attempted to destroy?

[Mark A. Oblazney]

It appears 3X in my lifetime, miscalculation first by JFK and RFK, second by the strong 1972 election showing by Nixon,
and thirdly, the 2016 presidential vote, there have been overwhelming example of momentous misjudgment resulting
in the hammering of JFK, and then in two presidential elections voters literally hammered themselves.

The only thing that has changed is that personality traits once obvious to the Kennedys as grave threats to US national
security have later been venerated by enough presidential election voters to matter.

We are embroiled in a current crisis putting the actual future of the U.S. in doubt. Has the continued focus on the
Assassination of JFK been overtaken by current events to the degree it is merely a psychological refuge....now that
we venerate, elevate, and attempt to defend strikingly similar "evil" the Kennedy brothers recognized for what it
actually was, and attempted to destroy?

That sounds about right, Tom.  Strange times.

[Tom Scully]

That sounds about right, Tom.  Strange times.

Mark, you are likely the most enlightened individual I have so far encountered. You practice open mindedness
and an absence of defensiveness. Your background is incomparable.... at least to me, fascinating

So, I'll ask you. Do you think people who screw themselves, en masse, even notice the resulting consequences?
By 1945 the German citizenry got to see and smell, close up, what their earlier decisions had cost them.
In the US, has it become our custom to confine direct consequences of societal misjudgment to JFK and Nixon?
https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html

Are we teaching our children to rule out pre-emptive war, government sanctioned assassination, blacksite waterboarding
or dishonesty as useful tactics?

If a society just doesn't own up to colassal political  misjudgment, does that misjudgment stealthly stink up
the place? Kavanaugh met his now wife when she was personal secretary to GW Bush, 2001 - 2005. There is an
influential and closely connected group (swampettes) behind the curtain. They were recently complicit in lying us into war in Iraq but haven't lost their clout.

Ashley Estes Kavanaugh - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Estes_Kavanaugh
Ashley Estes Kavanaugh (born November 4, 1974) is an American public official and former political aide. She has been married since 2004 to Brett Kavanaugh, a Federal Appeals ... Estes Kavanaugh served as an assistant to George W. Bush from 1996 through 1999, during his tenure as Governor of ...

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Mark, you are likely the most enlightened individual I have so far encountered. You practice open mindedness
and an absence of defensiveness. Your background is incomparable.... at least to me, fascinating

So, I'll ask you. Do you think people who screw themselves, en masse, even notice the resulting consequences?
By 1945 the German citizenry got to see and smell, close up, what their earlier decisions had cost them.
In the US, has it become our custom to confine direct consequences of societal misjudgment to JFK and Nixon?
https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html

Are we teaching our children to rule out pre-emptive war, government sanctioned assassination, blacksite waterboarding
or dishonesty as useful tactics?

If a society just doesn't own up to colassal political  misjudgment, does that misjudgment stealthly stink up
the place? Kavanaugh met his now wife when she was personal secretary to GW Bush, 2001 - 2005. There is an
influential and closely connected group (swampettes) behind the curtain. They were recently complicit in lying us into war in Iraq but haven't lost their clout.

To answer your question, Tom..... no, the swampettes have not lost their clout.  And as for ignoring 'resulting consequences'....... wait, that wasn't the word you used.  Noboby cares anymore.  After the OSS, it all went to pot.  Makes me nostalgic reading all their old war tales.

[Steve Logan]

Off Topic Section for political whining please. Don't worry, you Communists will get your chance again.

[Tom Scully]

Sorry, I'll change it.
Communists
Don't worry Pussyhat Brigade, you'll get your chance again.

Steve, the CIA was created to provide the POTUS with raw intelligence, intelligence analysis, and
the option of deniable intervention in reaction to threats to nat. sec. and other irritants gleaned from the
intelligence served up to the POTUS by CIA and other sources. This thread is built around the psych assessment
of Castro provided by CIA to JFK, dated ten months before the Cuban (Soviet) missle crisis.

I presume the following CIA assessment, in a report dated in December, 1961, was core support for the conclusion
Castro was psychologically unsuitable/disqualified from "serving" as the Cuban head of state.:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7065385

[?] unstable a personality as to be quite vulnerable to certain kinds of psychological pressure. The outstanding neurotic elements in his personality are his hunger for power and his need for the recognition and adulation of the masses. He is unable to obtain complete emotional gratification from any other source.? Whenever his self-concept is slightly disrupted by criticism, he becomes so emotionally unstable as to lose to some degree his contact with reality.? [His] egoism is his Achilles heel. The extreme narcissistic qualities of his personality are so evident as to suggest predictable patterns of action during both victory and defeat.

.......
The only thing that has changed is that personality traits once obvious to the Kennedys as grave threats to US national
security have later been venerated by enough presidential election voters to matter.

We are embroiled in a current crisis putting the actual future of the U.S. in doubt. Has the continued focus on the
Assassination of JFK been overtaken by current events to the degree it is merely a psychological refuge....now that
we venerate, elevate, and attempt to defend strikingly similar "evil" the Kennedy brothers recognized for what it
actually was, and attempted to destroy?

I am all about, (or try to be) about discernment. This is why I hone in on and criticize one of the most prolific posters
on this forum, Rob Caprio. It is also why I cannot take Christian evangelicals seriously.... how could a loving God leave
them with little or no discernment. Raised RC, I have a soft spot for Catholicism and admiration and enthusiasm for
Pope Francis, remaining mindful the Church has not exactly been a safe bet for discerning females, young boys, and the
poor, the world over.

I try not to take myself too seriously and I don't regard you as all that thin skinned, either. That said, I wonder why
you and I do not agree more often than we do. The story of Whitey Bulger is enough of a cluster f*** to influence
us not to take any of it all that seriously, especially the political theater that passes for American history.

More and more, I do not discern more integrity from CTs than I do from Republicans. ... at least from the most
prominent ones of both those tribes.

http://jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/#comment-869223
Tom S.  April 12, 2016 at 1:25 pm
.....More than 30 years after she first met Jim Garrison and in addition to much other research and interviewing 1200 people, this was the crux and the emphasis of Joan Mellen?s presentation on the best supported CIA influences/interference on Garrison?s investigation and his prosecution of Clay Shaw.

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK?s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
??.
REX: I ? I think ?

JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people?.

"LOCK HER UP" when the subject is a former female, two term US Senator who literally licked the nuts of
her conservative male US Senate colleagues!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/mcconnell-says-fbi-report-very-reassuring-slams-democratic-smear-against-kavanaugh
McConnell says FBI report 'very reassuring,' slams Democratic 'smear ...
Washington Examiner-52 minutes ago
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday the FBI submitted ... Democrats of an ?outrageous smear? against a qualified candidate.

Brownback Writes of 'Hatred' of Clintons - Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/29/AR2007062900693.html
Jun 29, 2007 - ... says he harbored a "hatred" of Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton until he ... to Hillary Clinton a few years later during a Senate prayer breakfast.

[Steve Logan]

Steve, the CIA was created to provide the POTUS with raw intelligence, intelligence analysis, and
the option of deniable intervention in reaction to threats to nat. sec. and other irritants gleaned from the
intelligence served up to the POTUS by CIA and other sources. This thread is built around the psych assessment
of Castro provided by CIA to JFK, dated ten months before the Cuban (Soviet) missle crisis.

I presume the following CIA assessment, in a report dated in December, 1961, was core support for the conclusion
Castro was psychologically unsuitable/disqualified from "serving" as the Cuban head of state.:.......
The only thing that has changed is that personality traits once obvious to the Kennedys as grave threats to US national
security have later been venerated by enough presidential election voters to matter.

We are embroiled in a current crisis putting the actual future of the U.S. in doubt. Has the continued focus on the
Assassination of JFK been overtaken by current events to the degree it is merely a psychological refuge....now that
we venerate, elevate, and attempt to defend strikingly similar "evil" the Kennedy brothers recognized for what it
actually was, and attempted to destroy?


I am all about, (or try to be) about discernment. This is why I hone in on and criticize one of the most prolific posters
on this forum, Rob Caprio. It is also why I cannot take Christian evangelicals seriously.... how could a loving God leave
them with little or no discernment. Raised RC, I have a soft spot for Catholicism and admiration and enthusiasm for
Pope Francis, remaining mindful the Church has not exactly been a safe bet for discerning females, young boys, and the
poor, the world over.

I try not to take myself too seriously and I don't regard you as all that thin skinned, either. That said, I wonder why
you and I do not agree more often than we do. The story of Whitey Bulger is enough of a cluster f*** to influence
us not to take any of it all that seriously, especially the political theater that passes for American history.

More and more, I do not discern more integrity from CTs than I do from Republicans. ... at least from the most
prominent ones of both those tribes.
"LOCK HER UP" when the subject is a former female, two term US Senator who literally licked the nuts of
her conservative male US Senate colleagues!

Tom,
You know that I'm only responding to bust your chops. You also know that I don't take myself seriously. You also know that while being Republican I did not vote for the current nutbag in the White House.(Even if I did it would not have counted) However posting political and religious themed threads in the General Discussion portion of the forum can only lead to flame heavy posts. For the sake of our country my wish is that we're presented with both party candidates more towards the middle but I know that's not going to happen. 

[Tom Scully]

Tom,
After winning 3 World series this century it's all gravy. Yanks got the pitching Sox have the bats. Pitching wins in the playoffs. We'll see.
......

The first Sox World Series win this century was pretty dramatic..... Hale's son said after the win that his
dad was still lucid enough to understand he had not waited in vain, but what about all those who did not live
long enough to experience the return to the Sox's winning ways?

Fred Hale World's Oldest Man and Red Sox Fan Dies at 113
https://www.bostonspastime.com/fans/fredhale.html
World's Oldest Man, Red Sox Fan Dies at 113. Hale more than just a baseball fan. Sean Kirst - The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY) November 20, 2004.