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Offline Ross Lidell

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Who waits at a bus stop for 30 seconds?  If you don't see a bus coming you're not going to see one 30 seconds later either.

But whatever it takes.

Too bad Burroughs said that Oswald slipped into the Texas Theater between 1:00 and 1:07.

Too bad you are confronted with the "not enough time for Oswald to get to the Texas Theater as early as 1:00 pm and as late as 1:07 pm" problem.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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So that's just an assumption then.

What witness?  What window?

Precedent-wise, in Oswald's case: Brennan, East window, 6th floor, TSBD.
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CTers think their opinions are evidence

LOL. CTers cite the evidence. LNers offer nothing but their biased opinions.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Once again---- **Official timeline review [bold emphasis mine]...... This gives the whole event a total of 19 minutes between Oswald's exit from his room to the broadcast of the assailant's description...a logistical impossibility! 
 **  http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm


 presumably gathers whatever bullets might be laying around].

This is a point worth thinking about....  The shells that were recovered at the scene and the live cartridges allegedly found on Lee Oswald's person were not fresh clean ammo.   They were a mixture of Remington Peters and Winchester and they bore the signs of having been stored in a leather cartridge belt ( like a police officers belt) Lee didn't have the funds to buy boxes of ammo and burn it...If he had bought ammo for a 38 he would have bought a box of it. He would not have bought loose cartridges.  ( The cartridges simply aren't sold as separate cartridges. )   And if He had bought a boxes of ammo he probably would have kept the unused ammo in the box ....  But the police found no evidence that Lee ever had any ammo other than the old ammo that allegedly was found in his pocket over two hours after his arrest in the theater.

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 presumably gathers whatever bullets might be laying around].

This is a point worth thinking about....  The shells that were recovered at the scene and the live cartridges allegedly found on Lee Oswald's person were not fresh clean ammo.   They were a mixture of Remington Peters and Winchester and they bore the signs of having been stored in a leather cartridge belt ( like a police officers belt) Lee didn't have the funds to buy boxes of ammo and burn it...If he had bought ammo for a 38 he would have bought a box of it. He would not have bought loose cartridges.  ( The cartridges simply aren't sold as separate cartridges. )   And if He had bought a boxes of ammo he probably would have kept the unused ammo in the box ....  But the police found no evidence that Lee ever had any ammo other than the old ammo that allegedly was found in his pocket over two hours after his arrest in the theater.

What is "fresh, clean ammo"?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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What is "fresh, clean ammo"?
What I was referring to was the bullets that Oswald allegedly must have taken along with a pistol from his room. None of the professed Oswald's ammunition was ever reportedly found anywhere. No other .38 cal ammo ...no 6.5 Carcano bullets [except for 3 spent rounds and one in the clip] :-\ No rounds of ammo were found in the Paine garage. No gun cleaning supplies were ever found anywhere on the properties. This didn't ever seem surprise anyone. Why not?
Also.. he was given 3 minutes to change clothes, and gather all these various items. Like Superman from a phone booth.

Offline Allan Fritzke

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No, going by all the available evidence, who killed Tippit is indeterminate.  Going by cherry-picked, tainted, and misrepresented evidence it was Oswald.

What we have is unfair and biased lineups, a gun that may or may not have ever been in Oswald's possession that took 2 hours to be entered into evidence, some slugs that can't be matched to a specific gun except one slug by one single "overachiever" out of 8 firearms experts, and some shells that may or may not have ever been at the crime scene that don't match the slugs in terms of manufacturer.

Further to that, as Walt Cakebread posted, the guns and ammo don't match, nothing matches including weapons and "ammunitions" used by LHO.  It does not make sense either that the casings found with the Carcano where a mix and that the projectiles themselves were  a mix of frangible (mushroom) and hard nose bullets!   No evidence LHO had bought a single case of bullets where he supplied his gun from!  The type of firearm used at Tippit's murder scene where shells are ejected does not follow logic.    The proof is that there was a need for someone to see the evidence being left behind.   Mismatched casing that had wear marks like they came out of a policeman's belt would be hard to explain.  At any rate, why would he leave the casings behind with some lives one left in the chamber?  Was he expecting a long hard gunfight at the OK Corral?  Did he say he replaced the spent casings with new shells?  How many did he have in his pocket?   Is this not all the proof you need that LHO had 2 different guns then, something which defies logic?  Try explaining the difference LNers?


the killer casually strolls away after the murder while emptying his gun

This is a fact...The killer strolled away after murdering Tippit and plucked one spent shell at a time from his revolver ...This is solid proof that the killer was NOT Lee Oswald ...Because Lee was allegedly carrying a 38 Smith and Wesson when he was arrested in the Theater.

The Smith &Wesson is NOT unloaded one spent shell at a time....It has an extractor that unloads all of the shells at once.....NOT ONE AT A TIME.

Another interesting fact is that testimony was entered, solely for the purpose of proving that LHO had a gun in the theater.   The questions asked,  only make it sure to reveal that, "yes he had a gun in his possession when arrested".   Why would you need that fact recorded unless you want to use it in your conjecture and corroboration?   Why was it important at all that LHO admitted that he had a gun in his possession at the theater.  It looks by the questioning that they were more concerned of this "fact" to be explicitly pointed out.    Again, they arrested the man, why would he be called to admit that he was carrying a pistol and that he inadvertently chose to mention that he bought it from Fort Worth?   Isn't that concerning? Why the importance - unless you are trying to establish innuendo evidence for your framing!   

Exactly and Bookout said that Oswald admitted to carrying a gun.

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested. He claimed that he had bought this some time ago in Fort Worth.


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Even when you look at Mr. Benavide's testimony given by his questions by Mr. Belin.   He is more intent on pinpointing Mr. Tippit's position, how he fell to the ground and the ejection of two shells at the scene.    You would think the questioning wouldn't be what happened to Tippit, the question should be if you could describe the man that you saw did the shooting and leaving the scene!  What was he wearing etc.   He is only questioned about the staging of the evidence at the scene and position of Tippit's body at the scene.  Establishing innuendo facts again.  Is that the important part of trying to convict LHO?  What did his testimony have to do with LHO?  He wasn't discussed!  What kind of kangaroo court do we have here?   Was Benavides call over the radio ever recorded?
   
Oswald would have only about 8 minutes. Because the shooting of Tippet had to have occurred not later than about 1:12pm due to Benavides WC testimony of having waited "a few minutes" after the shooter had fled the scene, before Benavides attempted to use to the Tippet police car radio approx. 1:16pm.

Additionally, there is the time required for shooter to linger at the scene, droping his shells, then travel time to leave scene, also the walking time for Benavides,  stopping by officer Tippet, and so forth, before actually getting in the car

Note also: There is preliminary time for the shooter having been followed by Tippet some distance before the shooting occurred, a conversation between shooter and Tippet, and Tippet then getting out of the car. That  adds about an extra 1 minute of time required which is how I arrived at 1:12pm estimate.

Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes. No; I heard the shot before I pulled in.
Mr. BELIN - Oh, I see. You heard the shot and pulled in and then what?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I ducked down.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I heard the other two shots and I looked up and the Policeman was in, he seemed like he kind of stumbled and fell.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see the Policeman as he fell?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.
Mr. BELIN - You saw the man going around the corner headed in what direction on what street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On Patton Street. He was going south.
Mr. BELIN - He was going south on Patton Street?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes; do you know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BELIN - Do I know Dootch Motors?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he on the east or the west side of Patton as he was going?
Mr. BENAVIDES - On the east side.
Mr. BELIN - You saw him going on the east?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - How far did you see him go down Patton?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Just as far as the house would let the view go. In other words, as soon as he went past the house, I couldn't see him any more.
Mr. BELIN - Now, the first time that you saw him, what was his Position
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing, the first time I saw him. The man that shot him?
Mr. BELIN - Yes.
Mr. BENAVIDES - He was standing like I say, on the center in front of the windshield, right directly on the right front fender of the car.
Mr. BELIN - He was not moving when you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - No; he wasn't moving then.
Mr. BELIN - All right, after you saw him turn around the corner, what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - After that, I set there for just a few minutes to kind of, I thought he went in back of the house or something. At the time, I thought maybe he might have lived in there and I didn't want to get out and rush right up. He might start shooting again.
That is when I got out of the truck and walked over to the Policeman, and he was lying there and he had, looked like a big clot of blood coming out of his head, and his eyes were sunk back in his head, and just kind of made me feel real funny. I guess I was really scared.
Mr. BELIN - Did the Policeman say anything?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The Policeman, I believe was dead when he hit the ground, because he didn't put his hand out or nothing.
Mr. BELIN - Where was the Policeman as he fell, as you saw him?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I saw him as he was falling. The door was about half way open, and he was right in front of the door, and just about in front of the fender. I would say he was between the door and the front headlight, about middleway when he started to fall.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice where the gun of the policeman was?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The gun was in his hand and he was partially lying on his gun in his right hand. He was partially lying on his gun and on his hand, too.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I don't know if I opened the car door back further than what it was or not, but anyway, I went in and pulled the radio and I mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn't get an answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn't remember where it was at at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street.

I think one must also fashion a timeline for Tippit at the same time, to see how and why his path crossed with LHO.   The evidence is scanty as to why he was even there without a dispatch call.  Why he left his patrol car without a call.   What called him into having an altercation with LHO in the first place at this scene?   Was Tippit (who looked somewhat like JFK himself) just the patsy that turned LHO into not only a Presidential killer but a cop killer as well.   This coincidence and the fact that he was killed before a lawyer consultation, make the whole story fit for a frame job.   I don't believe for one minute that he was innocent - only that he was not acting alone and that he could have known that he would end up being fingered for the killings.  He didn't do the shooting himself.  Certainly, he had to have been placed in all his workplace settings (Russia and TBSD) by some well connected sources that were paying him and using him to complete their plot - in essence a patsy!  He was going along with it -until they implicated him.

Certainly, hiding yourself in a theater after going home and changing clothes is really going to help hide you!  He was set up and told to meet someone there.  He thought his handlers were there to protect them.  He trusted them!

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm


 

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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I think one must also fashion a timeline for Tippit at the same time, to see how and why his path crossed with LHO.   The evidence is scanty as to why he was even there without a dispatch call.  Why he left his patrol car without a call. 
...Why his path crossed with LHO his killer. Timeline-Its been done... http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm

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