Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?

[Larry Trotter]

Friends! It is important to recall that it was established some time back on the 'Prayer Woman' thread that no shadow can account for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady's' right side in the Wiegman frames. It's a physical impossibility!

This is either Billy Lovelady with some dark garment covering the right side of his red plaid shirt, or it's not Billy Lovelady at all. 

As pictured @ about 12:30pm CST, 11/22/'63, filmed from an in-motion hand held moving motion picture camera by a cameraman in a Motorcade Convertible Automobile, in Dallas, Texas, DealeyPlaza, showing the south/southeast facing TexasSchoolBookDepository Building Elm St Entrance Portal Image.
As filmed, there is a definite vertical shadow partially blocking Images from direct sunlight, including BillyNolanLoveladyImage's right side. And, there is nothing draped over his Image's right side at filming!

[Alan Ford]

As photos and film footage taken of the entrance area shortly after the assassination amply show---------------

E.g.:



----------------the position of the sun in the sky rules out any shadow cast by the west column as the explanation for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady' in all the Wiegman doorway frames.

And! There is in Wiegman no human body in 'Lovelady's' vicinity, and to his west, to cast a shadow, vertical or otherwise, down his side!

To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation 

[Larry Trotter]

As photos and film footage taken of the entrance area shortly after the assassination amply show---------------

E.g.:



----------------the position of the sun in the sky rules out any shadow cast by the west column as the explanation for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady' in all the Wiegman doorway frames.

And! There is in Wiegman no human body in 'Lovelady's' vicinity, and to his west, to cast a shadow, vertical or otherwise, down his side!

To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation 

An all to familiar EdselDodge by Ford, as while discussing a WiegmanFilm frame, but illustrating two different scenes several minutes after the WiegmanFilm, different cameras, different distance, and different camera angles.
Why use any film other than the WiegmanFilm?
And you say, "To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  "?
You wish!

[Alan Ford]

An all to familiar EdselDodge by Ford, as while discussing a WiegmanFilm frame, but illustrating two different scenes several minutes after the WiegmanFilm, different cameras, different distance, and different camera angles.
Why use any film other than the WiegmanFilm?
And you say, "To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  "?
You wish!

Poor Mr Trotter evidently believes that a different camera angle on the ground will cause the sun to move its position in the sky! Keep the gags coming, Mr Trotter 

[Larry Trotter]

Poor Mr Trotter evidently believes that a different camera angle on the ground will cause the sun to move its position in the sky! Keep the gags coming, Mr Trotter 

And surely you will .
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their placement, as well as their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit of Our Earth.
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal?

[Alan Ford]

And surely you will .
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit of Our Earth.
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal?

Okey dokey, Mr Trotter, if you believe that's a shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman, how about you show us an image (photo or film) that supports your silly notion?

[Larry Trotter]

And surely you will .
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their placement, as well as their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit of Our Earth.
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal?

Okey dokey, Mr Trotter, if you believe that's a shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman, how about you show us an image (photo or film) that supports your silly notion?

So you, AlanFord, make a claim about a WiegmanFilmFrameImage, and use different FilmClips, filmed about 20 minutes later from different Cameras, CameraAngles, and CameraDistances to illustrate your claim of "No Shadow On BillyNolanLovelady Image's Right Side?
So you, AlanFord, make a claim void of reliable provable evidence, but then suggest I "show an image (photo or film) to support my silly notion"?
No Sir, it is your claim that requires justification!

[Alan Ford]

Mr Buell Wesley Frazier, WC testimony:

Mr. Shelley was standing, you know, back from the top step and over toward the side of the wall there. See, he was standing right over there, and then Billy was a couple of steps down from me over toward more the wall also.



------------Mr Lovelady several steps down, over by the wall
------------Mr Shelley up on the landing, also over by the wall
------------At some point between these Hughes frames and Wiegman, Mr Shelley goes inside
------------Mr Lovelady takes several steps back and ends up in the Prayer Man position.

Possible?

I would love to see a photo of Mr Joe Molina from 1963!

Could he be the figure in (what looks like) blue standing behind Lovelady and to his right-------in the 'Lovelady-in-Wiegman-and-Altgens' sweet spot?



We know this figure cannot be Mr Frazier himself, as Mr Frazier was wearing a light-colored shirt!