The confusing recollection of Jack Dougherty

[Walt Cakebread]

Was not the Eisenberg memo prior to his appearance before the WC? His WC testimony is not as bad as it is made out to be. Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question. Some appear to be an answer to a misheard one. One wonders if some of his mental issues might actually be due to hearing loss. (eg. only heard one shot, didn't hear Truly call for the elevator). My recollection of his WC testimony is that Ball made a complete hash of it. At times it was hard to understand either of them. At any rate he was an important witness, he afforded the lone gunman theory an innocuous movement of the west elevator after its use by Jarman and Norman. They had left it on the 5th floor but closed the gates, allowing it to be called from any floor. After the shots it was claimed to be stuck on an upper floor with gates open. This has to be because Dougherty went back to work for the WC version. He supposedly left the gates open, preventing Truly from calling it. By the time Truly and Baker reached the fifth floor it had gone. This was either via Dougherty or by unknown persons.

The question is, if Dougherty went back to work just before 12.30......where was he working just before lunch? Was it the 5th floor or the 6th? I do not think he was part of the elevator race and so it seems doubtful he was working on the 6th at that time. So, why would he go back to work on the 6th for a few moments then descend to the 5th? Both times leaving the only elevator available "locked". All he had to do was close the gates on the west elevator and work on the 5th, then take the east elevator down manually when he needed. 

Walt, do not play the LN game and dismiss the guy......that's what they want. Looks like a note from dad and a word from the boss was sufficient......really?

DISMISS   Dougherty?   Where did you get that idea?.... I was pointing out that Dougherty was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald UP TO HIS EYEBALLS.    And he was scared to death that he was going to be caught.   That's why he had a lawyer and his dad at his side during his testimony before the WC.

Dougherty family knows that he was involved and have closed ranks behind him..... 

If Dougherty had been the misfit mental case that he's portrayed as...He would never have served in the US Army....

Bottom Line.... Jack Dougherty was involved in the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.

[Walt Cakebread]

This! 

His WC testimony is not as bad as it is made out to be. Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question. Some appear to be an answer to a misheard one. One wonders if some of his mental issues might actually be due to hearing loss.

"Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question."

Yes....That's the point.....  WHY was he so scared that he couldn't respond with the answer that he had been coached for.....

I believe his "mental issues" were simply a guilty conscience ......  He was not the brightest bulb on the tree and he'd been used just as many mentally deficient persons have been used throughout  history.   He knew that Le Oswald had not been on the sixth floor and he knew the rifle and shells had been planted...because he had planted them...Just as Mr Truly had ordered.....  And he was scared to death that he was going to be caught.

[Alan Ford]

His WC testimony is not as bad as it is made out to be. Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question. Some appear to be an answer to a misheard one. One wonders if some of his mental issues might actually be due to hearing loss.

"Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question."

Yes....That's the point.....  WHY was he so scared that he couldn't respond with the answer that he had been coached for.....

I believe his "mental issues" were simply a guilty conscience ......  He was not the brightest bulb on the tree and he'd been used just as many mentally deficient persons have been used throughout  history.   He knew that Le Oswald had not been on the sixth floor and he knew the rifle and shells had been planted...because he had planted them...Just as Mr Truly had ordered.....  And he was scared to death that he was going to be caught.

He obeyed orders to plant the rifle and shells, but no one told him to say he'd seen Mr Oswald running down the stairs?

Not exactly a joined-up hypothesis, Mr Cakebread... 

[John Iacoletti]

So you like Tom's posts.... What has Scully done to advance your knowledge?

Well, just off the top of my head:

The info that Whaley and Davis lied about their ages.  The info about the money order sequence numbers and the Kansas City vs Alexandria records centers, the vital records information he dug up on Jack Dougherty, Domingo Benavides, the Paines and many others...

What have you done other than make up a bunch of nonsense stories and false claims?

[Walt Cakebread]

He obeyed orders to plant the rifle and shells, but no one told him to say he'd seen Mr Oswald running down the stairs?

Not exactly a joined-up hypothesis, Mr Cakebread... 

I think the conspirators who had set Lee up had not anticipated the possibility of having to account for Lee's presence in the lunchroom....Both Baker and Oswald unwittingly foiled their well laid plot...  If Lee had been found assuming room temperature in the TSBD after the murder of JFK....The case would have been closed right then....

[Alan Ford]

I think the conspirators who had set Lee up had not anticipated the possibility of having to account for Lee's presence in the lunchroom....Both Baker and Oswald unwittingly foiled their well laid plot...  If Lee had been found assuming room temperature in the TSBD after the murder of JFK....The case would have been closed right then....

If Mr Dougherty had said he'd seen Mr Oswald running down the stairs, the case would have been closed right then.

But no-----that would have been way too much to ask of the man who had agreed to plant the rifle and shells.

 

[Walt Cakebread]

If Mr Dougherty had said he'd seen Mr Oswald running down the stairs, the case would have been closed right then.

But no-----that would have been way too much to ask of the man who had agreed to plant the rifle and shells.

 

Dougherty had not been instructed to say he saw Lee Oswald running down the stairs....Thus he didn't say that....and he damned sure never witnessed that imaginary event.

[Alan Ford]

Dougherty had not been instructed to say he saw Lee Oswald running down the stairs....Thus he didn't say that....and he damned sure never witnessed that imaginary event.

Was he instructed to put himself in about the worst possible place for the official story of Mr Oswald's descent----------standing near the stairs on the fifth floor?