Was George HW Bush employed by the CIA on 11/22/63? Does it matter?

[Joe Elliott]

Questions:

Did any CTers, like Mark Lane, mention George H. W. Bush as taking part in the assassination before he was appointed the CIA Director?

What is the earliest mention of a CT author of Bush?s possible involvement?

Did this only start after he was made the CIA Director? After he became Vice President? After he became President?

[Jerry Freeman]

Questions:
 

Is there an echo in here? Didn't you ask all that here?----
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1427.msg38268.html#msg38268
 

[Richard Rubio]

The thing is this Bay of pigs was called operation Zapata Bush's oil company was called Zapata oil. Two of the ships used was called Huston. where Bush lived. The other was called Barbara . Bush's wife.

Boat was called Barbara J, Barbara Bush's maiden name, Barbara Pierce with no middle initial. Write up at MacAdams showed researchers said both of those boats, Houston and Barbara J were called that for some time before the Bay of Pigs.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm

It bothers me some though still, how GHW Bush didn't recall, seemed to have problems saying where he was on that day, "Somewhere in Texas", well, that includes a heckuva lot of area.

[Jon Banks]

Questions:

Did any CTers, like Mark Lane, mention George H. W. Bush as taking part in the assassination before he was appointed the CIA Director?

What is the earliest mention of a CT author of Bush?s possible involvement?

Did this only start after he was made the CIA Director? After he became Vice President? After he became President?

It probably started around the time George DeMorenschildt wrote a letter to him. Some time in the 1970s.

Bush and DeMorenschildt were aquatintences.

[Tom Scully]

Questions:

Did any CTers, like Mark Lane, mention George H. W. Bush as taking part in the assassination before he was appointed the CIA Director?

What is the earliest mention of a CT author of Bush?s possible involvement?

Did this only start after he was made the CIA Director? After he became Vice President? After he became President?

.......
It bothers me some though still, how GHW Bush didn't recall, seemed to have problems saying where he was on that day, "Somewhere in Texas", well, that includes a heckuva lot of area.

It probably started around the time George DeMorenschildt wrote a letter to him. Some time in the 1970s.

Bush and DeMorenschildt were aquatintences.

Jon, my intent is not to link you to the other two posters I quoted above my quote of your post, or to the
wording of their comments. I structured my post to attempt to kill a few birds with one stone in as small of
a foot print on this page as possible.

Everyone: Please search to confirm details before you post.

My posts are known to be long because I verify before I post and almost always include supporting cites
to the degree of overkill, but hopefully readers will consider and compare the comments I quoted  with
their own held beliefs and assumptions and the body of available, verifiable facts.

Joe, I cannot emphasize any more firmly than this that it amounts to working against the impression you will
make on reasonable readers at the expense of your own credibility if you link direct involvement in the Assassination
of JFK with Bush 41.

There is reasonable support for the opinion or analysis that people close to Bush and an gov. agency Tom Devine
was representing concealed and obstructed after the fact and behaved as if they had somethings to suppress
or conceal.
Supporting presentations, (Aside from the 11/22 call from Bush to his Houston FBI friend Graham Kitchel) :
Bush, Devine and Devine friends:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1437.msg38781.html#msg38781

Billy Joe Lord's 1977 complaint letter about Bush and his close friend allegedly threatening his job security if
he refused an interview with Henry Hurt who was dispatched to Midland by Reader's Digest.:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1439.0.html
Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?

It is a myth that Bush 41 did not recall where he was or what he was doing when informed JFK had been shot.

https://whowhatwhy.org/2013/10/09/bush-and-the-jfk-hit-part-4-barbaras-hair-raising-day/
OCTOBER 9, 2013 | RUSS BAKER
BUSH AND THE JFK HIT, PART 4: BARBARA?S HAIR-RAISING DAY

....The Tyler story is borne out by the personal recollections of Aubrey Irby, then vice president of the local Kiwanis Club (and later president of Kiwanis International during Bush?s vice presidency). As Irby explained to the author Kitty Kelley, Bush had been waiting to deliver a luncheon speech to his organization ? to one hundred men gathered at Tyler?s Blackstone Hotel.....
.....In a 2007 interview with me, Irby described George H. W. Bush at the time of the news as matter-of-fact and supremely well composed. ...

Tom S. March 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861370
By the 20th anniversary, Bush had his response, ?in order.?
November 7, 1983 :
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1916&dat=19831107&id=xChJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iQYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1438,1274908&hl=en


The ?problem? is not where Bush was on November 22. It is that he had so many he was so close to who
had close contact with DeMohrenschildt, and in one example, with both DeMohrenschildt and with Garry Coit,
Priscilla Johnson?s CIA contact. In 1940, Bush lived in the small A.U.V. secret society house on the campus of Phillips Andover ? http://preservation.mhl.org/123-main-st

Denis has not been posting here lately, our loss, not his. He sets an example we all can use as an self improvement
benchmark.

Denis Morissette Posted August 6
The Allen photo of the Bush look-alike is Allen 5-3 a few minutes before the Tippit shooting was announced. M.N. McDonald is in the picture. The radio will report this later.

On 8/4/2018 at 10:58 PM, Denis Morissette said:
George H.W. Bush at the Kiwanis Club in Tyler, Texas, on November 22, 1963 (thanks to Steve Roe) and a letter from him detailing where he was on that day.

There is more evidence the vessel Barbara J was nsmed after the wife of JFK aid Col. Howard Burris than after
Barbara Bush.

Quixotic Joust: Excerpt from Manuscript by Richard Bartholomew
http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/10/excerpt-from-manuscript-by-richard.html
Oct 4, 2011 - Howard Burris was Vice President Johnson's military representative and ..... Colonel Burris' wife, Barbara J. Burris, is the daughter of Governor ...

Bruce McAdams takes credit for publicly linking Bush to George Dem....
http://ciajfk.com/Letters.html

Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the ...
https://books=1936296535.google.com/books?isbn

Joan Mellen - 2012 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
Sources in CIA's Directorate of Operations told Wall Street Journal reporter Anthony Kimery that Bush ?personally served as a conduit through which the Agency disbursed money for contracted services.? Asa ?parttime purchasing front
for CIA,? ...

Link to credits....
 Author Joan Mellen book Acknowledgements:

https://covertactionmagazine.com/index.php/2018/12/05/george-bush-and-the-cia-in-the-company-of-friends/
George Bush and the CIA: In the Company of Friends
by Anthony Kimery ? December 5, 2018
.......
Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, DeMohrenschildt appears to have been submerged as a deep cover CIA ?asset,? operating under the guise of a consulting petro?leum geologist specializing in making deals between U.S. oil companies and the East-bloc nations to which he was remarkably well-connected.13 Mallon personally introduced the Count to Bush at about the same time Mallon handed Bush the highly sensitive responsibility of negotiating East?-bloc deals. The officials with whom Bush dealt had detailed knowledge of Soviet-bloc oil and gas production and ex?ploration and drilling capabilities, as well as strategic ex?ploration and production plans outside the USSR. Bush convivially wheeled and dealed with the communists? pe?troleum experts without the slightest grimace by U.S. auth?orities. In fact, when a Yugoslavian oil industry official came to the U.S. in 1948 to talk to Dresser Industries, the State Department barely flinched and he went straight to neophyte salesman George Bush in Midland, Texas.14....

[Joe Elliott]

Is there an echo in here? Didn't you ask all that here?----
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1427.msg38268.html#msg38268

Asked but not answered.

Were any CTers, Mark Lane, anyone else, accusing Bush of being involved in the assassination before he became the CIA Director?

Or was this a case that was first manufactured after he became well known, after he became the CIA Director?

Until some CTer here answers the question and provides a link, I am going to assume it was manufactured afterwards.

[Walt Cakebread]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/04/03/1199001/-Jeb-Bush-Oliver-North-and-the-Murder-of-CIA-Drug-Smuggler-Barry-Seal-in-1986
   

Thanks Jerry,    I was in error about the exact words and the occasion, but the point I was attempting to make is:...Bush knew he was involved in criminal endeavors...  He knew right from wrong......

[Tom Scully]

Asked but not answered.

Were any CTers, Mark Lane, anyone else, accusing Bush of being involved in the assassination before he became the CIA Director?

Or was this a case that was first manufactured after he became well known, after he became the CIA Director?

Until some CTer here answers the question and provides a link, I am going to assume it was manufactured afterwards.

Manufactured afterwards?? Edward Hooker and William Macomber were not AUV society house Andover roommate of Bush 41 and Hooker the step nephew and circa 1950 business partner of George DeM until AFTER the WC investigation? Is that what
you threaten (in two of your posts) you will have to assume, Joe?

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/04/15/archives/miss-alexandra-mills-is-bride-of-t-j-devine.html
Miss Alexandra Mills Is Bride of T.J. Devine
APRIL 15, 1973

HOBE SOUND, Fla., April 14?Miss Alexandra Mills, daughter of Mr. and Mrs.
Samuel Wynne Mills of Locust Valley, L. I., and Hobe Sound, was married here this
afternoon to Thomas J. Devine, son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Adrian G. Devine of
Rochester. The ceremony was performed by Dean N.R.H. Moor in Christ Memorial
Episcopal Chapel.
Miss Barbara K. Mills was her sister's maid of honor, and the bridesmaids were
the Misses Marjorie K. Gerry, her cousin, and Susan C. Babcock and Lucy Bucknell,
niece of the bridegroom. William B. Macomber Jr., United States Ambassador to
Turkey, was best man.,,,,,

In his book, Bush made this meeting up, and his CIA pal Devine and Gerge DeM never danced together several times from April 25, 1963, into May, 1963? and William Macomber was not Devine's best man?

The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global President
https://books.google.com.ua/books?isbn=1400829615

Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
But there is Mel Laird holding the behind-the-scenes press conference, saying, ?Well we'll keep Bush on till after the ... Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future?very thoughtful of them.5 All I know now is to do the ...

Bemis is not the Bush 41 lifelong pal described in early 1977 Billy Joe Lord letter to President Carter?

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....and an expanded version of the short form displayed above.: http://jfkforum.com/images/DevineLordHurt.jpg
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Assume away! Your suspicion is incoherent because your (aka strawman)
INVOLVED....your wording....

...I am going to assume it was manufactured afterwards...

....is unreasonable, beyond the pale, as the evidence presented at my link below clearly proves, except for your provocative wording I chided you about in my last post. Bush is 41 reasonably (via verifiable evidence, i.e., no images in Dealey Plaza, pul-eeze) accused of being too close to DeMohrenschildt and DeMohrenschildt's WC testimony to avoid a public accounting to the American people. Instead, he ducked, gave no accounting, and used his 2007 Ford eulogy as an opportunity to call out and scold CT's. You either struggle with a reading comprehension challenge, avoid reading or are
merely attempting to inflame; and operate as if actual facts be damned.

A reasonable person would now process what I presented here.:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1429.0.html
Topic: Bush 2007 Ford Eulogy CT Taunts vs His Actual Knowledge & involved Acquaintances
?.and plug this into what is presented at the link above this sentence!

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm
The testimony of George S. De Mohrenschildt was taken at 10 a.m. on April 22, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue N.E., Washington, D.C., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Dr. Alfred Goldberg, historian, was present....
....
Mr. JENNER. You entered the oil consulting business in Denver?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. First of all, as just an ordinary consultant. I got helped by a friend of mine who has a small oil company in Denver.
Mr. JENNER. What was his name?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Jimmy Donahue. And he facilitated by giving his office, the secretary and so on. Because it is rather expensive to start on your own.
But very soon afterwards I started getting consulting jobs--doing evaluations on the wells and things like that. And one night--this will be interesting for you, how to start an oil business--one night I was driving through Oklahoma, tired as hell, and I said to myself, by God, everybody is making money in the oil business except me, I am just a flunky here for all these big operators--I should go in the oil business on my own, really in the oil business, drilling and producing, which was interesting to me. And then I recalled that my exnephew, Eddie Hooker, in New York, asked me to go in business with him. He had visited me in Colorado and was very much interested in the work I had done. I gave him a telephone call from some place in Oklahoma.
I said, "Eddie, how about it?"
He was working for Merrill Lynch at the time.
And he said, "George, I am ready. I am tired of Merrill Lynch."
Mr. JENNER. Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane at that time?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. "I am tired of that Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane."
We formed a limited partnership together.
Mr. JENNER. And that is the partnership of Hooker and De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And that was when--1950?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I think so---1950.
Mr. JENNER. And did it last very long?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It lasted, I think, 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. About 2 years?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. 2 or 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. And----
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Now, We made money, we lost money, but it was a pleasant relationship. We are still very good friends.
Mr. JENNER. What did you do in connection with that partnership?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I did buying of the leases, doing the drilling, and helped him in New York, also, to raise money.
Mr. JENNER. He handled the financial end, or raising of money end?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And you the field work?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Sometimes--we opened an office in New York, a small office. He was in New York most of the time. I was in Denver. Our first well was a dry hole, a disastrous dry hole. But our second well was a producer. We made some production. But never anything big.
Mr. JENNER. Now----
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Eventually I returned to Texas from Denver, because I had always retained some good friends in Texas, and they suggested, one of them who participated in our well, first venture suggested that, "George, you will do better in Texas, because Wyoming is too expensive"--a well costs $200,000 or $300,000 in Wyoming, you know--in Wyoming or Colorado.
Mr. JENNER. Now, when you were in partnership with Mr. Hooker, your field work and discovery work was in Wyoming and Colorado, is that correct?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No. We started by drilling our first well in Wyoming, operating from Denver. And we had--we were snowbound there, we paid the rig time for a hell of a long time. To make the story short, our first venture was quite a failure. One of the reasons we finally split partnership with Eddie Hooker is that he is a very wealthy boy. He comes from a very wealthy family. And he wanted the oil business to make millions.
My reason to be in the oil business is to make a reasonable living, and eventually build up some production.
On our first venture in Wyoming, on the very first one, after we bought the leases, and before starting drilling, we got an offer from another company to sell out for a very substantial profit, without drilling a well--they would do it. Naturally, I told Ed we should do that instead of running a tremendous risk of drilling our own well. Well, he said if they want to buy it it means that we have something there, the usual story.
I was a little more conservative--I said better sell out and try to find something less risky.
He said if we hit it, we are millionaires right away--which was true--we had a huge block, of 12,000 acres, something like that.
Well, from then on, the next venture was in Texas, and we drilled quite a few successful wells, quite a few dry holes, too.
Mr. JENNER. You returned to Texas?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What year?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Abilene, Tex., we had the headquarters--that was the center of the small size independent operators at the time.
Mr. JENNER. What was the name of the hotel at which you stayed?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Wooten Hotel.
Mr. JENNER. And the partnership was still in existence?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Our partnership was broken up after I married Miss Sharples. It was, frankly, a personal thing.
Mr. JENNER. I think this is a good time to stop, because that is the next phase I want to get into. We can go to lunch.

(Whereupon, at 12:35 p.m., the proceeding was recessed.)....

Joe, are you posting your inflammatory wording in your challenge to CTs twice in this thread
sarcastically or seemingly as a scoundrel likely would, or are you being sincere and struggling with some variety of a cognition challenge? I do not know the date the George DeM WC testimony above was publicly available or when the FBI 302 below was, but your painstaking to read premise is weasel BS.

FBI 302 questioning of DeMohrenschildt/Sharples single wedding party member (and why not the others?
Or were the other Shaples wedding party members interviews conducted but never made available?)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=196739&search=azamat#relPageId=12&tab=page

Topic: Bush 2007 Ford Eulogy CT Taunts vs His Actual Knowledge & involved Acquaintances
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...article image above cuts off at word, PRINCE, and in text at this link:

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/178139789/
.....Dmitri de Mohrenschildt acted as best man for his brother and the ushers were Edward Hooker, Willets Meyer, Philip Nash, Prince Azamat Guirey, Samuel Butler, Pierre Preyss, Henry Damon and Philip P. Sharpies. After a wedding trip Baron ae Mohrecschildt and his bride will reside in Dallas, Texas. ,,,,

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=56273&relPageId=492&search=azamat

Joe, you leave little choice but to regard your "manufactured afterwards," as either an LN trolling taunt
or a plea for an intercession (help) from your personal intimates....

Doug Horne reacting to my discovery author Peter Janney's imaginary CIA assassin cum Ray Trumo murder trial
prosecution witness was not vanished since almost immediately after his 1965 DC court testimony.

I suggest readers marvel over the similarity of Cakebread and Horne reactions to my presentations of well
supported but inconvenient (to them) FACTS. If what I do seems negative to you, Walt, maybe you should
be wondering about your own relationship to truth vs alternative facts (thank you, KellyAnne Conway).