Circumstantial Evidence Khrushchev And/Or Castro Killed JFK

[Thomas Graves]

Tom,

Don’t you know that your claim of a couple Russian stooges sheanking into Angleton’s filing cabinet and planting Incriminating LHO evidence is pretty, er, um, silly?

You do know that, Tom? Do you not?

Yours truly,

Plato

Dear Plato,

Better not come out into the sunshine.

It'll blow you and your Ideas away.

-- MWT   

PS  Who said anything about two KGB triple-agents (Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov) physically putting anything in CIA files?

[Michael Clark]

Dear Plato,

Better not come out into the sunshine.

It'll blow you and your Ideas away.

-- MWT   

PS  Who said anything about two KGB triple-agents (Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov) physically putting anything in CIA files?

Tom,

Do you know what that sounds, quite clearly, like?

And, Tom, you do know, don’t you, what that sounds like to people whose job it is to handle such things?

Yours Truly,

Plato

[Thomas Graves]

Tom,

Do you know what that sounds, quite clearly, like?

And, Tom, you do know, don’t you, what that sounds like to people whose job it is to handle such things?

Yours Truly,

Plato

OMG, I guess you're even more paranoid than I realized, and that you're unfamiliar with The Alegory of the Cave.

-- MWT 

PS  Still consider Yuri Nosenko a true defector and Tennent H. Bagley his evil,evil, evil sadistic interrogator who put so much stress on poor Yuri that he just plum forgot things and ... gasp ... had to keep changing his story?

Has the possibility ever crossed your mind that the main reason KGB dispatched Nosenko to the U.S. was to detract from true defector Golitsyn, who was turning CIA (and trying to turn the FBI) onto moles in our and allies intelligence services and governments?

D'oh

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Dear Whatever Your Name Is,

Are you the worst of the worst -- an Alterationist?

-- MWT 

So why is it that the CIA is so sloppy, I would expect them to never leave a trail.  They must have the worst sweepers. You should honestly feel embarrassed for defending an agency that doesn't live up to much of anything but being messy and reckless. I bet you have a collection of Spy vs Spy comic books

[Thomas Graves]

So why is it that the CIA is so sloppy, I would expect them to never leave a trail.  They must have the worst sweepers. You should honestly feel embarrassed for defending an agency that doesn't live up to much of anything but being messy and reckless. I bet you have a collection of Spy vs Spy comic books

Dear Whatever Your Name Is,

Not sure what you're referring to when you say the CIA was "sloppy" and "left a trail".

Are you referring to the distinct possibility that KGB and DGI "ghosted to the doorstep of the CIA" the assassination of JFK, as Angleton so eloquently put it?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n445

(Ah yes, Bruce Solie, the Office of Security officer who was fooled by false-defector Igor Kochnov into believing that false defector Yuri Nosenko was a true defector.  LOL)


-- MWT 

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Dear Whatever Your Name Is,

Not sure what you're referring to when you say the CIA was "sloppy" and "left a trail".

Are you referring to the distinct possibility that KGB and DGI "ghosted to the doorstep of the CIA" the assassination of JFK, as Angleton so eloquently put it?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n445

(Ah yes, Bruce Solie, the Office of Security officer who was fooled by false-defector Igor Kochnov into believing that false defector Yuri Nosenko was a true defector.  LOL)


-- MWT 

The only false defector you need to focus on is LHO, but your heroes at the CIA don't know anything about that right? The only department/agency that would ever have allowed and known about Oswald is the same departments that implemented our own false defector. The CIA and the military were involved intimately with Oswald b/c he was a member of both. You and your silly spy stories have no relevance and are not even entertaining

[Tom Scully]

Brown stuff wrassler Tommy,

How do you go about compensating for, attempting to take into consideration your awareness of not knowing what you are unaware of?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=164062&search=grombach#relPageId=68&tab=page

2. [No Title], pg 68
Found in: FBI documents released on April 26, 2018
DeLoach RELATIONS WITH CIA COL.
JOHN GROMBACH ( PAT O' BRIEN ) . l $ ft i t On the other hand, there were instances where we received information from Grombach which was of either an
to translate, evaluate, publish, etc ., Grombach desires to forward such material to Bureau as Grombach' would not trust any other agency.

Background:

http://www.houstontimeportal.net/allen-landing---grombach.html
Allen's Landing - Grombach
..... Carefully choosing his words, André Grombach sent this postcard to his five year old son, Jean. As an immigrant from France and member of the New Orleans business community, André was the honorary French Consul in New Orleans and a businessman in import-export with ties in Mexico City, Tampico, France. He probably chose this postcard to show his young son a bit of how he made a living. Allen’s Landing must have seemed a poor cousin to New Orlean’s busy commercial port, but no doubt André recognized its potential.
​   André was born in Macon, France on 17 January 1870, and at the age of 27 married a Parisian girl of Danish and French ancestry, Marcelle Valentin. Probably in connection with business ties, André immigrated into the United States thorough San Salvador in 1898 and settled in New Orleans. His only child, Jean Valentin Grombach, was born there in 1901. André worked in the dry goods import business, primarily between France and Mexico. In 1907 he had his own company, Grombach, Faisans Co., Ltd. trading “Mexican drawn work,” including a number of postcards of New Orleans and Dallas, San Antonio, and Brownsville, TX. His small family travelled back and forth to Paris, living there 1905-1907 and 1912-1913, maintaining a dual American-French residency.
   About the time his son Jean was accepted to West Point in 1919, André shifted his business interests to New York City through an affiliation with Cross Hermanos Ltd with offices at 154 Nassau Street in Manhattan near the base of the Brooklyn Bridge. They traded primarily in Mexico City, Tampico, San Salvador, France and Cuba as importers of sarsaparilla, chicle, and liquid amber, and exporter of oil cloth and manufactured goods.
​   By 1930 Marcelle seems to have remained largely in New Orleans as her husband André and son John lived in New York City. She died in 1939 and is buried in Hebrew Rest Cemetery in New Orleans. André continued to live in New York through at least 1949 living on Nagle Street near the Cloisters, still representing the interests of Cross Hermanos Ltd. No record of his death or burial have been found. ​

[Thomas Graves]

The only false defector you need to focus on is LHO, but your heroes at the CIA don't know anything about that, right?

Dear Whatever,

If Oswald was a false defector to the USSR, why did CIA send him there?

Probable answer: In a vain effort to help catch Popov's Mole, whom we now know was Popov's former "dead drop" arranger, honey-trapped-in-Moscow CIA officer Edward Ellis Smith, or someone he helped KGB to recruit after being recalled to Washington in late 1956, interrogated, and fired.

Edwin Walker believed Oswald worked for both the evil, evil, evil CIA and your beloved KGB.

How Many "Lives" Did Oswald Lead?

Was Oswald suspected by CIA of having been "doubled" in the USSR, and let back in to the U.S. (with his KGB wife) "problem-free" so they could be monitored to see whom they might contact?

Was that the plan? 

If so, was the plan known by a mole?

(You knew that George DeMohrenschildt, based on some deciphered WWII Venona intercepts, was suspected by CI/SIG's Clare Edward Petty of being a long-term KGB "illegal," right?)

-- MWT 

PS  More grist for Tommy Scully's "Widdle Mill In Duh Gully":
https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt8p303667/entire_text/

Hint: A Hyde is mentioned!!!