JFK - A simple solution

[Walt Cakebread]

Putting aside Walt's struggle with the truth in which he constantly confuses his own subjective interpretation of events with the facts, here we learn that no good deed goes unpunished.  Poor Ruth Paine being kind and charitable to Oswald's family and for the rest of her life is hounded by kooks as some type of master spy behind the assassination.  It would be humorous if it wasn't so pathetic.  Imagine the plan here.  Paine is assisting Oswald's wife and child so that Oswald is free to leave them.  That doesn't exactly advance the plot to frame Oswald.  If Paine were involved in any plot to frame Oswald she would have confirmed that Oswald owned a rifle, stored it in her garage, hated JFK, was acting suspiciously the night before the assassination and that she saw him carry a long package to work on the morning of the assassination.  She did none of those obvious things.  Instead cutting her "vacation" short to help them out is deemed sinister.  It's laughable.

Poor Ruth Paine being kind and charitable to Oswald's family and for the rest of her life is hounded by kooks as some type of master spy behind the assassination.

Cut the hyperbole.... I'm not suggesting that Ruth Paine was  "some type of master spy behind the assassination"

But in her own sworn  words,  she admitted spying on the Oswald's for the FBI.

[Steve Howsley]

If Paine were involved in any plot to frame Oswald she would have confirmed that Oswald owned a rifle, stored it in her garage, hated JFK, was acting suspiciously the night before the assassination and that she saw him carry a long package to work on the morning of the assassination.  She did none of those obvious things.  Instead cutting her "vacation" short to help them out is deemed sinister.  It's laughable.

[Walt Cakebread]

Putting aside Walt's struggle with the truth in which he constantly confuses his own subjective interpretation of events with the facts, here we learn that no good deed goes unpunished.  Poor Ruth Paine being kind and charitable to Oswald's family and for the rest of her life is hounded by kooks as some type of master spy behind the assassination.  It would be humorous if it wasn't so pathetic.  Imagine the plan here.  Paine is assisting Oswald's wife and child so that Oswald is free to leave them.  That doesn't exactly advance the plot to frame Oswald.  If Paine were involved in any plot to frame Oswald she would have confirmed that Oswald owned a rifle, stored it in her garage, hated JFK, was acting suspiciously the night before the assassination and that she saw him carry a long package to work on the morning of the assassination.  She did none of those obvious things.  Instead cutting her "vacation" short to help them out is deemed sinister.  It's laughable.

If Paine were involved in any plot to frame Oswald she would have confirmed that Oswald owned a rifle, stored it in her garage,

I doubt that Ruth was involved in a plot to frame Lee Oswald...  She was merely working for Hoover, who thought the Oswald's were Russian spies.   

Perhaps you are ignorant to the fact that when Gus Rose asked Ruth Paine who was acting as interpreter for Marina if her husband owned a rifle.  Ruth Paine at first attempted to invert Marina's reply and deny that Marina had answered  DA (yes)  and NOT nyet (no)  what Marina had replied to the question....

Rose.."Ask her if her husband owns a rifle."

Marina understood the question that Rose had asked, and was ready with the answer and Marina replied "Da "

Ruth Paine most certainly knew basic words like da and nyet....but she told Rose "no" her husband does not own a rifle.

Marina heard the reply and told Rose in halting English.... "Come....I show"... and headed toward the garage.

A short time later when she had the opportunity to talk to Ruth in Russian, she scolded Ruth and asked..." Why did you tell him nyet (no)?  I told you da (yes). Has your knowledge of Russian suddenly failed you ?" 

[Oscar Navarro]

All I saw was a motorcade parade ...JFK and Jackie.
The first word of mouth reports that we heard at that time [maybe an hour later] was that the cops were looking for a black guy. I thought that sounded weird. Why would a black shoot a leader that was trying to do something for the black people? Anyway, in following years, it had been revealed that witnesses reported that they saw one or two dark complected guys walking around on the sixth floor...that one of them had a rifle. I seriously doubt that they had seen American Negroes. There are Dealey Plaza pictures of dark complected guys [OK perhaps Cubans] that were never identified. Alpha 66 was said to have been involved. Most of us know who they were.

You know, the overwhelming majority of Cuban refugees of the early sixties where and are of Spanish descent and the overwhelming majority of that group are/where Caucasian. To say that it must have been Cubans because of the mistaken belief that Cubans are mostly dark complexed is just being ignorant. The best example of this early group of Cuban refugees are Antonio Veciana and Sylvia Odio. Alpha 66 was indeed involved with the CIA and other US agencies in raids into Cuba but there's zero credible connection between Alpha 66, Oswald and the assassination of JFK, regardless of Veciana's claims. IMO, Veciana is FOS.

[Oscar Navarro]

Yes, I believe the plot originated with the Cubans who hated JFK because their CIA handlers had blamed JFK for the BOP fiasco in which many of their brothers, cousins, and sons had died ....  JFK being the CINC did not try to pass the buck ( publicly ) ... He accepted the blame for the fiasco, but in reality he had little control of the CIA.  The Cuban's wanted revenge and accepted JFK's acceptance of responsibility for the fiasco, so they started plotting to kill JFK....  Hoover with his vast network of informers learned of the plot, and decided that he would make sure the Cuban's succeeded even if he had to go to his mafia buddies to find a crack shot who would be secretly waiting for the Cubans to open fire.

You're so FOS!

[Steve M. Galbraith]

You know, the overwhelming majority of Cuban refugees of the early sixties where and are of Spanish descent and the overwhelming majority of that group are/where Caucasian. To say that it must have been Cubans because of the mistaken belief that Cubans are mostly dark complexed is just being ignorant. The best example of this early group of Cuban refugees are Antonio Veciana and Sylvia Odio. Alpha 66 was indeed involved with the CIA and other US agencies in raids into Cuba but there's zero credible connection between Alpha 66, Oswald and the assassination of JFK, regardless of Veciana's claims. IMO, Veciana is FOS.

Question: What is the evidence that you've seen that the CIA worked with or was involved with Alpha 66 and its raids on Cuba?

I've seen no evidence other than the claims made by Veciana that a man named Maurice Bishop who gave his group help was CIA officer David Atlee Phillips. This after he said for more than 30 years that Bishop was not Phillips.

The documents released so far show several attempts by Veciana to get help from the CIA but that he was turned down.

[Oscar Navarro]

You said she was a paid informer. That is very different to an ordinary citizen passing on information that the FBI might find useful.

What is the evidence for Ruth Paine being a paid FBI informer?

Cakebread;
Ruth Paine admitted being a FBI informer when she testified before LBJ's "Special Blue Ribbon Committee" ...Read her testimony.  She testified that she surreptitiously purloined a letter that Lee had written and then called Hosty to come to get the letter...

You said she was a paid informer. That is very different to an ordinary citizen passing on information that the FBI might find useful.
What is the evidence for Ruth Paine being a paid FBI informer?

Notice how Cakebread retreats from accusing Paine of being a PAID FBI informant. Next thing he should do is to retreat from the claim Ruth Paine  called Hosty to get the letter Oswald was typing in her typewriter. Paine actually testified to having made a handwritten draft of the letter and then thought about calling Hosty.

[Walt Cakebread]

You said she was a paid informer. That is very different to an ordinary citizen passing on information that the FBI might find useful.
What is the evidence for Ruth Paine being a paid FBI informer?

Notice how Cakebread retreats from accusing Paine of being a PAID FBI informant. Next thing he should do is to retreat from the claim Ruth Paine  called Hosty to get the letter Oswald was typing in her typewriter. Paine actually testified to having made a handwritten draft of the letter and then thought about calling Hosty.

Paine told several versions of how she acquired the letter that Lee wrote to the "Russian Embassy"  ( although the letter was addressed to the Russian Embassy, Lee knew that the FBI was reading all of the mail addressed to the embassy.   I believe the information in the letter was primarily for the FBI's intelligence files. )  The letter is NOT written in Cyrillic, but Ruth Pain said he used her cyrillic typewrier.

Some accounts say that she simply purloined the hand written rough draft of the letter, which she gave Hosty, while other accounts say she copied a typewritten letter ( written in Russian on her Cyrillic typewriter  ) 

Se page 311 WR or vol XVI CE103 for both the typed and hand written versions of the letter.

You said she was a paid informer. That is very different to an ordinary citizen passing on information that the FBI might find useful.

And I'm not retreating from my idea that Ruth Pain was paid by Hoover to keep tabs on the Oswald's and the FBI provided "reimbursement" for services rendered.....