There is only one remaining question

[Tom Scully]

Not your belief alone. I agree, the iron sights were probably used by Oswald.
The company that sold the rifles testified that the scope was not zero sighted. It was just slapped on the rifle. For an extra cost of only about $ 5.00, they would be losing money with every sale if they zero sighted the scopes.
And why would a company executive testify that their product was worse than it really was? It would serve no purpose if they were just trying to implicate Oswald. If that was the case, they would say the scopes were sighted.
Oswald was trained in the Marines to use iron sights. He never was trained to use a scope. As far as we know he never had used a rifle with a scope before he got that rifle.
Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200 yards, 300 yards and 500 yards. And he was pretty good at it. He qualified as a sharpshooter, something most Marines were not about to do. He should be able to hit a person at 88 yards, the longest shot taken on November 22?
Why order a rifle with a scope? Why keep the scope once he discovered (from practice shots or missing General Walker) it was not zero sighted and not useful for aiming?
A possible reason is because he thought it looked cool. It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin. He might like to keep the scope on for the same reason he wanted to be photographed with the rifle wearing black. And take time to put on the same black sweater before appearing before the world press, and Jack Ruby. It is not always wise to be overly focused on image.
And he was a dangerous assassin. With an M-1 at 200, 300 and 500 yards at a stationary target. Or I would guess a Carcano at 200 yards at a stationary target. And even a moving target, with a Carcano, provided it was under 100 yards away and moving mostly directly away from him at 8 mph.
Curiously, the WC commission, most investigations and to this day, most LNers believe (I think) that the scope was probably used. This is the most significant error on the LN side.

Okay....nothing means anything, case closed, I got it, thankyouverymuch!

The WC Report indicates a troubling slice, similar to a segment of a modern CAT scan, confirming, YES, THIS IS HOW
IT REALLY WAS...beneath the thin veneer most Americans assume as reassurance of a law abiding, "do the right thing,"
social environment. If you go in with a similar preconceived notion, you predictably come out with a nothing to see, here,
POV. Leave your curiousity at the door!

Vs. actual facts...

1. No Title, pg 2
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Caesar Grossi
CHARACTER OF CASE I TSMV TITLE OF CASE a JOHN CESAR GROSSI, aka; ROY LEE MANTOOTH REPORT MADE BY SA JAMES M. SMITH TYPED BY dak FEDERAL-BUREAU OF INVL STIGATION

2. No Title, pg 4
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Caesar Grossi
AQ 26-23451 Bureau File #: 26-419514 Title: JOHN CESAR GROSSI; ROY LEE MANTOOTH Character: INTERSTATE TRANSPORTATION OF STOLEN MOTOR VEHICLE Synopsis:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=29053767
Fleta L. Ryder Mantooth
Fleta was the daughter of Homer Richard and Magdalena Jeanetta (Baehr) Ryder and raised with one brother and six sisters. She married Roy Lee Mantooth December 13, 1963, in Albany, Texas. He preceded her in death on March 10, 1979.

During World War II she built B-29's and B-17's in Illinois and Fort Worth, Texas. She worked for U.S. Brass in assembly for 20 years and most recently for Olney I.S.D. in food services. She was a member of the Southside Baptist Church and the Cross Country Emmaus Community.

She moved to Olney from Abilene, Texas in 1990. She was preceded in death by two sisters, Fern Boyett and Mardella Cox.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_year%3A1956-1957~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Alucille~%20%2Bmother _surname%3Aryder~

Glenn Lewis Bowen
Texas Birth Index
Name Glenn Lewis Bowen
Event Type Birth
Event Date 11 Oct 1956
Event Place Dallas, Texas
Gender Male
Father's Name Jack Leslie Bowen
Mother's Name Fleta Lucille Ryde

At time of death she was survived by one son, Glenn Lewis Mantooth and wife, Nicole of Abilene, Texas; two daughters, Dixie Kirby and husband DeWayne of Olney, Texas and Gypsie Fomby and husband Dale of Clyde, Texas; one brother, Dial Ryder of Irving, Texas;......

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkgen/AssassinationsDeepEvents/AssassinationsDeepEvents.htm
The Assassinations of the 1960s as "Deep Events"
Peter Dale Scott    October 17, 2008

....This is what Malcolm H. Price told the Warren Commission about ?Oswald? at the Dallas rifle range:

the first time that I saw this person was in September, ?.I have heard that he couldn?t drive, but he was driving that day?and he came down and inquired if there was anyone who could sight a scope, a telescope on a rifle, and I told him that I could, and he said, well ? he had one that he had mounted and boresighted but it hadn?t been fired on a range?.And he fired three shots and he scored bull?s eye with all three ? a very tight pattern.  (10 WH 370, emphasis added)

For various reasons the Warren Report rejected this testimony. However there was independent corroboration of Price?s story. At least five other witnesses claimed to have seen Oswald at a rifle range; and one of them, Sterling Wood, established in conversation with Oswald that Oswald was firing a ?6.5 Italian carbine? with a ?four-power scope.? (26 WH 368). A witness from the Irving Sports Store, Dial Ryder, supplied a purported work ticket with the name Oswald on it, which was an order to have a rifle ?mounted? and boresighted? (WR 315). [5] Yet another witness, Mrs. Edith Whitworth, told the FBI that she had directed Oswald to Ryder?s store (26 WH 701; cf. WR 316).

I have argued that all this was concatenated false testimony, to support the early notion, later rejected, that Oswald had killed Kennedy with a gun he had used earlier in the Soviet Union. [6] The more we believe that the Warren Commission was right to reject this concatenated testimony, the more the rejected stories constitute evidence of a conspiracy.,,,,

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=137308&search=mantooth#relPageId=6&tab=page
......(In 1970, the FBI seems not to understand that Bowen/Grossi, now aka Bolen, is described as paying child support by
Roy Lee Mantooth in the form of a stolen camper trailer. The point is that 7 years after the assassination, Bowen/Grossi was still in contact with Dial Ryder's sister and her husband Roy Lee Mantooth.)....

[Tom Scully]

Okay....nothing means anything, case closed, I got it, thankyouverymuch!

The WC Report indicates a troubling slice, similar to a segment of a modern CAT scan, confirming, YES, THIS IS HOW
IT REALLY WAS...beneath the thin veneer most Americans assume as reassurance of a law abiding, "do the right thing,"
social environment. If you go in with a similar preconceived notion, you predictably come out with a nothing to see, here,
POV. Leave your curiousity at the door!

Vs. actual facts...
.....

The FBI interviews the other Bowen of our mystery saga.  Please point to an example of anyone named in the WC report
who was charged with a crime of making untruthful statements to the FBI or in sworn testimony taken by the WC?

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/html/WH_Vol26_0369a.htm


....and, in the fullness of time.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875262

Tom Scully posted 11 July, 2015

...I have two questions.
What could the circumstances have been that resulted in the real John Howard Bowen's changed d.o.b. from the
date he put on his 1918 draft registration, January 14, 1880, which happened to be the same d.o.b., at the same place, Chester, PA, as the birthdate and place furnished by the John Howard Bowen to the FBI in Feb, 1964, to the birthdate on John Howard Bowen's January 31, 1962 Richmond County, NC death certificate, d.o.b. January 4, 1878?...

FBI reported in CE 2443:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0301a.htm
.....but furnished him with a card reflecting the
following data :
Name : JOHN HOWARD BOWEN
Born : January 14, 1880
Father : JAMES A, BOWEN
Mother : EDITH MONTGOMERY
Place of Birth : Chester, Pennsylvania
File Number : D-869-1880
Filed : March 6, 1956

From the Chester, PA Times....note that the name of J. Howard Bowen's wife is the same as on this 1962 death certificate:

https://newspaperarchive.com/chester-times-may-18-1915-p-5/
Chester Times Newspaper Archive: May 18, 1915 - Page 5

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875265/fannie-bowen/photo

[Walt Cakebread]

The FBI interviews the other Bowen of our mystery saga.  Please point to an example of anyone named in the WC report
who was charged with a crime of making untruthful statements to the FBI or in sworn testimony taken by the WC?

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/html/WH_Vol26_0369a.htm


....and, in the fullness of time.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875262


From the Chester, PA Times....note that the name of J. Howard Bowen's wife is the same as on this 1962 death certificate:

JOHN HOWARD BOWEN was interviewed February 8 1964, and he furnished the following information...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875262

Who says that "dead men tell no tales"....     

The FBI was able to talk to Bowen in 1964, even though Bowen had died in 1962....

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200 yards, 300 yards and 500 yards. And he was pretty good at it. He qualified as a sharpshooter, something most Marines were not about to do.

Yeah, in 1956.  Cherry-pick much?

Why order a rifle with a scope? Why keep the scope once he discovered (from practice shots or missing General Walker) it was not zero sighted and not useful for aiming?
A possible reason is because he thought it looked cool.

That sounds more like "contrived excuse" than "possible reason".

It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin. He might like to keep the scope on for the same reason he wanted to be photographed with the rifle wearing black. And take time to put on the same black sweater before appearing before the world press, and Jack Ruby.

Or he asked for a sweater because it was cold.

[Eddie Haymaker]

"It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin."

ahh No. It looks like the weapon of a fumbling amateur at best.

saying the same person who couldn't hit a sitting target (walker) pulled off that shooting job from the TSBD is inconsistent to say the least.

why?

The target - one was right wing, one was left.
The shooting - one is amateurish, one is world class.

[Walt Cakebread]

Not your belief alone. I agree, the iron sights were probably used by Oswald.
The company that sold the rifles testified that the scope was not zero sighted. It was just slapped on the rifle. For an extra cost of only about $ 5.00, they would be losing money with every sale if they zero sighted the scopes.
And why would a company executive testify that their product was worse than it really was? It would serve no purpose if they were just trying to implicate Oswald. If that was the case, they would say the scopes were sighted.
Oswald was trained in the Marines to use iron sights. He never was trained to use a scope. As far as we know he never had used a rifle with a scope before he got that rifle.
Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200 yards, 300 yards and 500 yards. And he was pretty good at it. He qualified as a sharpshooter, something most Marines were not about to do. He should be able to hit a person at 88 yards, the longest shot taken on November 22?


Why order a rifle with a scope? Why keep the scope once he discovered (from practice shots or missing General Walker) it was not zero sighted and not useful for aiming?
A possible reason is because he thought it looked cool. It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin. He might like to keep the scope on for the same reason he wanted to be photographed with the rifle wearing black. And take time to put on the same black sweater before appearing before the world press, and Jack Ruby. It is not always wise to be overly focused on image.
And he was a dangerous assassin. With an M-1 at 200, 300 and 500 yards at a stationary target. Or I would guess a Carcano at 200 yards at a stationary target. And even a moving target, with a Carcano, provided it was under 100 yards away and moving mostly directly away from him at 8 mph.
Curiously, the WC commission, most investigations and to this day, most LNers believe (I think) that the scope was probably used. This is the most significant error on the LN side.

He qualified as a sharpshooter, something most Marines were not about to do.

Perhaps you should check with the Marine Corps....  I believe you'll find that "Sharpshooter" designation is the MINIMUM qualification that is acceptable for a Marine recruit. 

Are you sure that you're not misspelling your name?  The I-O-T-  may be correct but I'm not sure about the preceding letters.

[Walt Cakebread]

Not your belief alone. I agree, the iron sights were probably used by Oswald.
The company that sold the rifles testified that the scope was not zero sighted. It was just slapped on the rifle. For an extra cost of only about $ 5.00, they would be losing money with every sale if they zero sighted the scopes.
And why would a company executive testify that their product was worse than it really was? It would serve no purpose if they were just trying to implicate Oswald. If that was the case, they would say the scopes were sighted.
Oswald was trained in the Marines to use iron sights. He never was trained to use a scope. As far as we know he never had used a rifle with a scope before he got that rifle.
Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200 yards, 300 yards and 500 yards. And he was pretty good at it. He qualified as a sharpshooter, something most Marines were not about to do. He should be able to hit a person at 88 yards, the longest shot taken on November 22?
Why order a rifle with a scope? Why keep the scope once he discovered (from practice shots or missing General Walker) it was not zero sighted and not useful for aiming?
A possible reason is because he thought it looked cool. It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin. He might like to keep the scope on for the same reason he wanted to be photographed with the rifle wearing black. And take time to put on the same black sweater before appearing before the world press, and Jack Ruby. It is not always wise to be overly focused on image.
And he was a dangerous assassin. With an M-1 at 200, 300 and 500 yards at a stationary target. Or I would guess a Carcano at 200 yards at a stationary target. And even a moving target, with a Carcano, provided it was under 100 yards away and moving mostly directly away from him at 8 mph.
Curiously, the WC commission, most investigations and to this day, most LNers believe (I think) that the scope was probably used. This is the most significant error on the LN side.

Why keep the scope once he discovered (from practice shots or missing General Walker) it was not zero sighted and not useful for aiming?
A possible reason is because he thought it looked cool. It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin.

Yes you're right..."It looked like the weapon of a dangerous assassin."  And that's exactly what the cretins who were setting Lee up thought....  Grandma, what a dangerous looking rifle you have....Yes, it's all the better to mislead you with, my dear...

You LNer's love fairy tales...  So I'm sure you'll remember Little Red Ridinghood.....

[John Iacoletti]

Perhaps you should check with the Marine Corps....  I believe you'll find that "Sharpshooter" designation is the minimum qualification that is acceptable for a Marine recruit. 

I thought that was Marksman.