O H Lee and the Beckley Rooming House

[Walt Cakebread]

You are misrepresenting what Mrs. Bledsoe said.

Mr. BALL - Now, I have got a piece of clothing here, which is marked---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.

That was in a nutshell Mrs. Bledsoe's description of the shirt Oswald had when he boarded the bus. Her testimony about the description of the shirt begins with describing it as a brown shirt and ends with identifying the hole on the right elbow of the sleeve.

Using Frazier's statement to buttress your misguided argument is also a mistake. Frazier said he was not paying attention to what Oswald was wearing but was sure he was wearing a jacket that morning. It would be unreasonable to expect Frazier to identify what shirt Oswald was wearing since he had a jacket on and Frazier was not paying attention to what Oswald was wearing.

Whoa!!....  Wait jest a darned minute....  We need to account for the two Jackets that Whaley said his passenger was wearing over a brown shirt with a silver thread running through the material.....

How the hell can Bledsoe and Whaley be describing the same man?.....Bledsoe says the man was wearing a shirt and she saw a hole at the elbow of that shirt , while Whaley says the man he saw was wearing a shirt and TWO jackets.... Whaley elaborated and said that the man's Jacket was BLUE and were like his trousers ....Kind of like a blue uniform.

There is good solid reason to doubt BOTH Bledsoe and Whaley.....Bledsoe (MAY??) have seen Lee Oswald on Mc Watter's bus, but it's equally possible that she made up the story, or had seen Lee on a bus at some other time...

And William Whaley's tale is simply unbelievable.....

[Oscar Navarro]

Whoa!!....  Wait jest a darned minute....  We need to account for the two Jackets that Whaley said his passenger was wearing over a brown shirt with a silver thread running through the material.....

How the hell can Bledsoe and Whaley be describing the same man?.....Bledsoe says the man was wearing a shirt and she saw a hole at the elbow of that shirt , while Whaley says the man he saw was wearing a shirt and TWO jackets.... Whaley elaborated and said that the man's Jacket was BLUE and were like his trousers ....Kind of like a blue uniform.

There is good solid reason to doubt BOTH Bledsoe and Whaley.....Bledsoe (MAY??) have seen Lee Oswald on Mc Watter's bus, but it's equally possible that she made up the story, or had seen Lee on a bus at some other time...

And William Whaley's tale is simply unbelievable.....

In Mrs. Bledsoe's case she new Oswald before he entered the Marsalis bus. It wouldn't have mattered if Oswald was wearing a Cinderella costume she would have recognized him anyway because not only had she rented him a room (very nice one compared to that closet at N. Beckley) but Oswald had made a very unfavorable impression on her.

In Whaley's case there's the trip manifest (if that's what it's called) that has Whaley taking a rider to 500 N. Beckley at 12:30 p. m. Whaley testified that he did not necessarily jot down the correct times but made estimates in 15 minute increments, or when he had the time to jot down the times, so 12:30 p. m. shouldn't be taken down as the exact time Oswald got into Whaley's cab. I will agree that Whaley's testimony was imprecise and confusing that's why he had to be interviewed an additional time.

[Walt Cakebread]

Another Jerry misrepresentation of what a witness said. Officer Baker did not say Oswald was wearing a brown jacket. Yes, you should look up Bakers testimony and post it. You also claimed on another post that what Baker described Oswald was wearing as CE-151. Post that too!

Officer Baker did not say Oswald was wearing a brown jacket

There are two versions to Baker's tale....In the first and original version of the tale ( Baker's affidavit on 11/22/63) He said that he stopped a man on either the third or fourth floor, and he described that man as in his thirties, with dark hair, and weighing about 165 pounds, and he was wearing a tan (khaki) or light brown jacket.

He did NOT recognize Lee Oswald as that man ....At the time Baker was writing that affidavit Lee Oswald was escorted past the place he was sitting, and yet he described an entirely different man in his affidavit.

[Walt Cakebread]

In Mrs. Bledsoe's case she new Oswald before he entered the Marsalis bus. It wouldn't have mattered if Oswald was wearing a Cinderella costume she would have recognized him anyway because not only had she rented him a room (very nice one compared to that closet at N. Beckley) but Oswald had made a very unfavorable impression on her.

In Whaley's case there's the trip manifest (if that's what it's called) that has Whaley taking a rider to 500 N. Beckley at 12:30 p. m. Whaley testified that he did not necessarily jot down the correct times but made estimates in 15 minute increments, or when he had the time to jot down the times, so 12:30 p. m. shouldn't be taken down as the exact time Oswald got into Whaley's cab. I will agree that Whaley's testimony was imprecise and confusing that's why he had to be interviewed an additional time.

I'm intimately acquainted with an old woman who suffers from Altzheimers .....  And I know that people who suffer from this terrible disease are not reliable....   Mrs Bledsoe should never have been used as a witness....  The fact that LBJ's cover up committee used her ( literally) speaks volumes about their desperation.   They had no case against Lee Oswald, but they were desperate to create something to toss to the gullible pissants...

And some of those gullible pissants refuse to accept, and admit, that they've been duped.....

[Oscar Navarro]

Officer Baker did not say Oswald was wearing a brown jacket

There are two versions to Baker's tale....In the first and original version of the tale ( Baker's affidavit on 11/22/63) He said that he stopped a man on either the third or fourth floor, and he described that man as in his thirties, with dark hair, and weighing about 165 pounds, and he was wearing a tan (khaki) or light brown jacket.

He did NOT recognize Lee Oswald as that man ....At the time Baker was writing that affidavit Lee Oswald was escorted past the place he was sitting, and yet he described an entirely different man in his affidavit.

I'm glad you confirm that Baker never said that Oswald was wearing a brown jacket but this insistence on an exact description of someone who is unknown and seen only fleetingly is incomprehensible to me. It also strikes me as disingenuous considering that for so many years CTers (and I'm not saying you fall into this particular category, or you may, I don't know) insisted that Billy Lovelady was Lee Oswald when in fact their faces did not match, Oswald had stated he was in the lunch room during the shooting, and I believe Lovelady was about 4" shorter than Oswald. 

[Oscar Navarro]

I'm intimately acquainted with an old woman who suffers from Altzheimers .....  And I know that people who suffer from this terrible disease are not reliable....   Mrs Bledsoe should never have been used as a witness....  The fact that LBJ's cover up committee used her ( literally) speaks volumes about their desperation.   They had no case against Lee Oswald, but they were desperate to create something to toss to the gullible pissants...

And some of those gullible pissants refuse to accept, and admit, that they've been duped.....

You have gone off the rails. First off, you have no evidence that Mrs. Bledsoe suffered from any type of dementia or from Alzheimer Decease. What is becoming increasingly clear is that it's you who suffers from that not so rare mental disorder called Delusional Disorder.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm glad you confirm that Baker never said that Oswald was wearing a brown jacket but this insistence on an exact description of someone who is unknown and seen only fleetingly is incomprehensible to me. It also strikes me as disingenuous considering that for so many years CTers (and I'm not saying you fall into this particular category, or you may, I don't know) insisted that Billy Lovelady was Lee Oswald when in fact their faces did not match, Oswald had stated he was in the lunch room during the shooting, and I believe Lovelady was about 4" shorter than Oswald.

I'm glad you confirm that Baker never said that Oswald was wearing a brown jacket

That's exactly right...Baker DID NOT identify Lee Oswald as the man who he saw wearing a light brown (Khaki or tan) jacket.

this insistence on an exact description of someone who is unknown and seen only fleetingly is incomprehensible to me.


Baker DESCRIBED the man and the location where he encountered that man.....

Baker said that the man was WALKING AWAY from the stairs on  the dimly lit, third or fourth floor....( Lee was STANDING, and NOT walking away, in front of the Coke machine in the brightly lit second floor lunchroom.)
Baker said the man was in his thirties and weighed about 165 pounds, with dark hair and he was wearing a light brown or tan jacket.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm glad you confirm that Baker never said that Oswald was wearing a brown jacket but this insistence on an exact description of someone who is unknown and seen only fleetingly is incomprehensible to me. It also strikes me as disingenuous considering that for so many years CTers (and I'm not saying you fall into this particular category, or you may, I don't know) insisted that Billy Lovelady was Lee Oswald when in fact their faces did not match, Oswald had stated he was in the lunch room during the shooting, and I believe Lovelady was about 4" shorter than Oswald.

Mr. BELIN - Did you notice what clothes the man was wearing as he came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt.

Anyway, as I noticed him walking away from me, it was kind of dim in there that particular day, and it was hanging out to his side.
Mr. BELIN - Handing you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 150, would this appear to be anything that you have ever seen before?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I believe that is the shirt that he had on when he came. I wouldn't be sure of that. It seemed to me like that other shirt was a little bit darker than that whenever I saw him in the homicide office there.
Mr. BELIN - What about when you saw him in the School Book Depository Building, does this look familiar as anything he was wearing, if you know?
Mr. BAKER - I couldn't say whether that was--it seemed to me it was a light-colored brown but I couldn't say it was that or not.
Mr. DULLES - Lighter brown did you say, I am just asking what you said. I couldn't quite hear.
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; all I can remember it was in my recollection of it it was a light brown jacket.
Mr. BELIN - Are you referring to this Exhibit 150 as being similar to the jacket or similar to the shirt that you saw or, if not, similar to either one?
Mr. BAKER - Well, it would be similar in color to it--I assume it was a jacket, it was hanging out. Now, I was looking at his face and I wasn't really paying any attention. After Mr. Truly said he knew him, so I didn't pay any attention to him, so I just turned and went on.
Mr. BELIN - Now, you did see him later at the police station, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he wearing anything that looked like Exhibit 150 at the police station?
Mr. BAKER - He did have a brown-type shirt on that was out.
Mr. BELIN - Did it appear to be similar to any clothing you had seen when you saw him at the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BAKER - I could have mistaken it for a jacket, but to my recollection it was a little colored jacket, that is all I can say.
Mr. DULLES - You saw Oswald later in the lineup or later
Mr. BAKER - I never did have a chance to see him in the lineup. I saw him when I went to give the affidavit, the statement that I saw him down there, of the actions of myself and Mr. Truly as we went into the building and on up what we are discussing now.
(At this point Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
Mr. BELIN - Officer Baker
Mr. DULLES - I didn't get clearly in mind, I am trying to check up, as to whether you saw Oswald maybe in the same costume later in the day. Did you see Oswald later in the day of November 22d?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. DULLES - Under what circumstances? Don't go into detail, I just want to tie up these two situations.
Mr. BAKER - As I was in the homicide office there writing this, giving this affidavit, I got hung in one of those little small offices back there, while the Secret Service took Mr. Oswald in there and questioned him and I couldn't get out by him while they were questioning him, and I did get to see him at that time.
Mr. DULLES - You saw him for a moment at that time?