Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy

[Bill Chapman]

I have no vested interest in Oswald's guilt or innocence. The evidence dictates that conclusion.  Not my agreement or disagreement with others.

Since it is your opinion that the evidence is solid and that it "dictates that conclusion" it is indeed your agreement or disagreement with others that is making you say that people who disagree with you are not serious reseachers.

Or the likes of yourself and John I. simply trying to apply an impossible, subjective standard of proof to the evidence to imply false doubt.

False doubt?... Asking questions about discrepancies in the evidence that you (and your ilk) can not answer creates doubt. There is nothing false about that.

And the mere fact that you are constantly complaining that John and I apply "an impossible, subjective standard of proof to the evidence" is perhaps the best indication to me that you do in fact have a vested interest in Oswald's guilt and that you are not sure the evidence will hold up under scrutiny. It's similar to a prosecutor asking the jury not to look too close at the evidence. Why else would you imply that John and I have some sort of agenda, when we are clearly only asking questions?

Some of these "researchers" may be sincere, intelligent, and well intentioned but they can't be taken seriously given the known facts and evidence in this case.  The vast majority, however, are just outright kranks.

Exactly what I said; your basic position is that you are convinced by the evidence and anybody who does not share your view is not to be taken seriously. You've got a unjustifiable high opinion of yourself, haven't you?

"we are clearly only asking questions"

Also known as 'JAQing off'

[Oscar Navarro]

Lets for arguments sake assume LHO did take a shot at walker.

This is where it all comes undone. On one hand they are presenting this like a totally innocent coincidence where they get him the job by chance and good intent but on the other is the walker evidence being revealed after the fact showing him to be an aspiring assassin all along.

The evidence necessary to convict Oswald had already been collected and analyzed by the time the note that incriminated Oswald in the Walker shooting was found. In other words, the Walker note was just more icing on the cake.

[Rob Caprio]

Why would the Russians want to kill JFK?

and replace him with a "screaming hawk" like LBJ?

JFK is giving them everything they want

the Jupiter missiles are gone

No sorry, not on board with that

This was a coup d'etat by the RIGHT

There is no "left" involved

Thats why LHO is a square peg in a round hole

Good question and points. So far no evidence has been presented to support this claim.

[Rob Caprio]

Except... the Warren Commission did not exclude all avenues of investigation except those that lead to Lee Oswald.

This just shows me (and should show others) that you criticize the Warren Commission without having ever read it's report.

That doesn't make sense.  You don't make sense.

LOL. Sure.

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IV. Lee H. Oswald as the Assassin (Ball and Belin)
   (This section should state the facts which lead to
    the conclusion that Oswald pulled the trigger and
    should also indicate the elements in the case which
    have either not been proven or are based on doubtful
    testimony.  Each of the factors listed below should
    be reviewed in that light.)
    A.  Identification of Rifle as Murder Weapon
    B.  Oswald's Ownership of Weapon
    C.  Evidence of Oswald Carrying Weapon to Building
        1. Fake Curtain Rod Stroy [sic]
        2. Buell Frazier's Story
        3. Possible Presence in Paine's Garage on
           Evening of November 21, 1963
    D.  Evidence of Oswald on Sixth Floor
        1. Palm Prints on Carton
        2. Paper Bag with Oswald Print
    E.  Eyewitness Testimony
    F.  Oswald After Assassination -- Actions in
        Building
    G.  Oswald After Assassination -- Actions up to
        Tippit Shooting
    H.  Shooting of Tippit and Arrest in Theatre
        1. Eyewitnesses
        2. Gun as Murder Weapon
        3. Oswald's Ownership of Gun
    I.  Statements After Arrest
    J.  Prior Actions
        1. Walker Shooting
        2. Possible Nixon Attempt
        3. Practice with Rifle
    K.  Evidence of any Accomplices in Assassination
    L.  Appraisal of Oswald's Actions on November 21
        and 22 in Light of Assassination
        (This will be a difficult section, but I feel we
        must face up to the various paradoxical aspects of
        Oswald's behavior in light of his being the
        assassin.  I suggest the following items for
        consideration.)
        1. Did He Have a Planned Escape?
        2. Why did he pass up the Opportunity to get money
           on November 21 when he returned to Irving?
        3. Discussion with Marina about getting apartment
           in Dallas
        4. Asking fellow employee, on morning of November
           22, which way the President was coming.

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[Eddie Haymaker]

The evidence necessary to convict Oswald had already been collected and analyzed by the time the note that incriminated Oswald in the Walker shooting was found. In other words, the Walker note was just more icing on the cake.

Yeah but the icing was WAY too thick
and ruined the entire cake (far too sweet)
they tried too hard
and made their scenario simply unbelievable

Yeah he took a shot at walker
then he waited and brooded
I know what I'll do.I'll get a job in a random high building and wait...
It's only a matter of time until someone famous comes by and BLAM
hey hey I'm famous yeah

What an incredible plan
In the history of infamous assassinations there has never been a more
ridiculous murder plan than this
but according to the "official" version this is what happened

Whats that Ruth you have found a job opening in a random high building?
this could be it,my opportunity
Sure I'll go for an interview
I'll just work like there's nothing up and wait...
I might have to work here for the rest of my life waiting
but It'll be all worth it in the...what? He's coming on FRIDAY?
That's in 2 days time

Oh happy days under 5 weeks I had to wait
My work boots aren't even worn in yet
wow I must be the luckiest assassin in history
especially as I can't drive anywhere
My target is coming to me
I couldn't have PLANNED this better!

The Dallas DA says he obviously planned this months in advance
NO - He didn't, but obviously someone has...
HE was either an "opportunistic killer" or he was setup
what does the evidence suggest to you?

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This is where the evidence has been "crisscrossed" and contradicted itself
the walker evidence vs the opportunistic killer - crisscross

Similar to the WC evidence that LHO was seen at a rifle range near RP's house
on sat the 16th.
He did not go to Irving that weekend so had no access to his rifle
AND he did still not know JFK was driving past the TSBD so why practice?

The JB evidence where he claims he heard a description on radio
of the JD killer. Which did not get broadcast at all.JD was confirmed DOA at @1.50 pm which also contradicts his evidence.another crisscross

[Oscar Navarro]

Eddie, the post appears as a bad rap song.

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

<block>55 years have passed and you guys have nothing. Do you think when the 100th anniversary comes around there will be something that might cast serious suspicion in the mind of a serious, smart unbiased investigator from the new generation coming through?</block>

You are wrong here.  There is film and photographic evidence of a conspiracy that is undeniable and you know it but do not want to accept it.  A conspiracy means that the U.S. Government was involved directly, indirectly, or as a coverup.

[Walt Cakebread]

You are wrong here.  There is film and photographic evidence of a conspiracy that is undeniable and you know it but do not want to accept it.  A conspiracy means that the U.S. Government was involved directly, indirectly, or as a coverup.

Well said, Mister Shahrdar....