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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2019, 07:11:56 PM »
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Hinrichs always cheats the Zfilm; he starts the video way too late

Tell us how Kennedy would already have his hands up at impact
Pain is what caused his hands to rise in the first place
The bullet had already passed through before he could react

The missile was supersonic, FFS.

Get real

He was hit in the front of his throat by the first shot Willis recorded at Z-205.

That started the movement of his hands.

The frames Hinrich referenced are Z-228 to Z-235.
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #121 on: January 10, 2019, 07:15:25 PM »
Mr. WILLIS. No, sir; except this one thing might be worthy of mention. When I took slide No. 4, the President was smiling and waving and looking straight ahead, and Mrs. Kennedy was likewise smiling and facing more to my side of the street. When the first shot was fired, her head seemed to just snap in that direction,

That head snap of Mrs Kennedy's happened in the Z170s.

Obviously, if the sound of the shot at Z-205 caused him to click the shutter on his camera, he is

mistaken about Mrs. Kennedy's head snap.
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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #122 on: January 10, 2019, 07:17:29 PM »
Mr. SPECTER - Based on your observations of the neck wound alone, do you have a sufficient basis to form an opinion as to whether it was an entrance wound or an exit wound.
Dr. PERRY - No, sir. I was unable to determine that since I did not ascertain the exact trajectory of the missile. The operative procedure which I performed was restricted to securing an adequate airway and insuring there was no injury to the carotid artery or jugular vein at that level and at that point I made the procedure.
Mr. SPECTER - Based on the appearance of the neck wound alone, could it have been either an entrance or an exit wound?
Dr. PERRY - It could have been either.
Mr. SPECTER - Permit me to supply some additional facts, Dr. Perry, which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you express an opinion.
Assume first of all that the President was struck by a 6.5 mm. copper-jacketed bullet fired from a gun having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,000 feet per second, with the weapon being approximately 160 to 250 feet from the President, with the bullet striking him at an angle of declination of approximately 45 degrees, striking the President on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula, being 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process, passing through the President's body striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the large muscles in the posterior portion of the President's body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity but bruising the apex of the right pleural cavity, and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung inflicting a hematoma to the right side of the larynx, which you have just described, and striking the trachea causing the injury which you described, and then exiting from the hole that you have described in the midline of the neck.
Now, assuming those facts to be true, would the hole which you observed in the neck of the President be consistent with an exit wound under those circumstances?
Dr. PERRY - Certainly would be consistent with an exit wound.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, assuming one additional fact that there was no bullet found in the body of the President, and assuming the facts which I have just set forth to be true, do you have an opinion as to whether the wound which you observed in the President's neck was an entrance or an exit wound?
Dr. PERRY - A full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which you have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound.

Dr Baxter: We could not determine, or did not determine at that time whether this represented an entry or an exit wound. Judging from the caliber of the rifle that we later found or become acquainted with, this would more resemble a wound of entry. However, due to the density of the tissues of the neck and depending upon what a bullet of such caliber would pass through, the tissues that it would pass through on the way to the neck, I think that the wound could well represent either exit or entry wound.
Mr. Specter: Assuming some factors in addition to those which you personally observed, Dr. Baxter, what would your opinion be if these additional facts were present: First, the President had a bullet wound of entry on the right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the Scapula with the wound measuring 7 by 4 mm. in oval shape, being 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process--assume this is the set of facts, that the wound Just described was caused by a 6.5 mm bullet shot from approximately 160 to 250 feet away from the President, from a weapon having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,000 feet per second, assuming as a third factor that the bullet passed through the President's body, going in between the strap muscles of the shoulder without violating the pleura space and exited at a point in the midline of the neck, would the hole which you saw on the President's throat be consistent with an exit point, assuming the factors which I have Just given to you?
Dr. Baxter: Although it would be unusual for a high velocity missile of this type to cause a wound as you have described, the passage through tissue planes of this density could have well resulted in the sequence which you outline; namely, that the anterior wound does represent a wound of exit.
Mr. Specter: What would be the considerations which, in your mind, would make it, as you characterized it, unlikely?
Dr. Baxter : It would be unlikely because the damage that the bullet would create would be---first its speed would create a shock wave which would damage a larger number of tissues, as in its path, it would tend to strike, or usually would strike, tissues of greater density than this particular missile did and would then begin to tumble and would create larger jagged--the further it went, the more jagged would be the damage that it created; so that ordinarily there would have been a rather large wound of exit.
Mr. Specter: But relating the situation as I hypothesized it for you?
Dr. Baxter: Then it is perfectly understandable that this wound of exit was not of any greater magnitude than it was.


Mr. SPECTER - What is your experience, Doctor, if any, in the treatment of bullet wounds?
Dr. JONES - During our residency here we have approximately 1 complete year out of the 4 years on the trauma service here, and this is in addition to the 2 months that we spend every other day and every other night in the emergency room during our first year, so that we see a tremendous number of bullet wounds here in that length of time, sometimes as many as four and five a night.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever had any formal training in bullet wounds?
Dr. JONES - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever had occasion to observe a bullet wound which was inflicted by a missile at approximate size of a 6.5 ram. bullet which passed through the body of a person and exited from a neck without striking anything but soft tissue from the back through the neck, where the missile came from a weapon of the muzzle velocity of 2,000 feet per second, and the victim was in the vicinity of 160 to 250 feet from the weapon?
Dr. JONES - No; I have not seen a missile of this velocity exit in the anterior portion of the neck. I have seen it in other places of the body, but not in the neck.



I'll take the first day quotes and impressions over media and government tainted WC testimony.

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #123 on: January 10, 2019, 07:22:58 PM »
His hands went up when he was hit in the front of his throat by the first shot Willis recorded at Z-205.

The frames Hinrich referenced are Z-228 to Z-235

His hands going up were an involuntary reaction. If he's hit at Z205 , then it took over a second for that reaction to begin. Try presenting that theory to a medical professional.

Also, you have two bullets entering Kennedy's neck. What happened to them?

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2019, 07:24:39 PM »
Obviously, if the sound of the shot at Z-205 caused him to click the shutter on his camera, he is

mistaken about Mrs. Kennedy's head snap.


Obviously, if Mrs Kennedy snapped her head to the right at the sound of the first shot, he is mistaken about when he clicked the shutter on his camera.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2019, 07:27:34 PM »

I'll take the first day quotes and impressions over media and government tainted WC testimony.

I'll take statements made under oath over first day impressions that are known to be incorrect.

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2019, 07:47:37 PM »
His hands going up were an involuntary reaction. If he's hit at Z205 , then it took over a second for that reaction to begin. Try presenting that theory to a medical professional.

Also, you have two bullets entering Kennedy's neck. What happened to them?

JFK swallowed them

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Re: The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2019, 07:48:29 PM »
I'll take statements made under oath over first day impressions that are known to be incorrect.

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Mr. WILLIS. No, sir; I took that picture just seconds before the first shot was fired, to get back close up. Then I started down the street, and the regular weekly edition of Life magazine came out and shows me in about three different pictures going down the street. Then my next shot was taken at the very--in fact, the shot caused me to squeeze the camera shutter, and I got a picture of the President as he was hit with the first shot. So instantaneous, in fact, that the crowd hadn't had time to react.

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