JD Tippit - Serious timing issues

[Eddie Haymaker]

Right off the bat Mr Bugliosi states Mr Brewer first sights LHO at about 1.15pm

This is a problem because evidence suggests @1.15pm as the time

JDT is shot and killed

He also say's JB heard about the death of an officer at the SAME TIME

This is impossible - the first police radio reports to a shooting are

time stamped around 1.18pm and radio did not report it until @1.50pm (KLIF)

Mr Brewer observes the police reacting at around 1.18pm



LHO simply cannot make it to the TT by around 1.15pm and kill JDT

Besides that is the time JDT is shot.

LHO cannot have done it

according to dispatch records first alert to TT is 1.36pm which is reasonable

considering Mr Brewer does look through the TT for LHO before alerting police



This is the direct route to the TT having gone no where near the JD crime scene and it works in perfectly with most other evidence as to the timeline. Arriving at around 1.18pm. Which is about perfect given all the eyewitness evidence and the sudden arrival of police responding to Mr Benavides call for help on JD?s radio.

Jesse Curry confirms this timeline himself in a recorded interview which is damning to the case against Oswald.



This is the direct route to the JD scene. He could make it in time to shoot JD at 1.15pm If he walked fast and went directly to JD?s location. (even this is generous as the warren commission asserts 1.03pm as his official departure time)

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That STAMPS LHO at Hardy?s at around 1.16 pm and entering the TT before 1.20 pm corroborating the eye witness accounts of 4 men Burroughs,Davis,Benevidez and Curry. Just before the movie starts at 1.20pm

Its not "he didn't do it"

It's "he physically can't have done it"

[Jerry Freeman]

Eddie...There are a lot of posts scattered around the forum have you tried using the search function?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1352.0.html
You will see the sort of response you would get from the ODIA group.
For example... 'no matter how impossible it may seem....OSWALD DID IT ALONE'

[Eddie Haymaker]

If ignorance is bliss

they must be ecstatic

Thats not an "opinion piece"

all the times and facts are provided by the government's case

Its funny near his first question - gives an alibi to the accused

not great lawyering but the defence attorney was so bad the whole trial

He didn't know the time JD was shot either

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Right off the bat Mr Bugliosi states Mr Brewer first sights LHO at about 1.15pm

This is a problem because evidence suggests @1.15pm as the time

JDT is shot and killed

He also say's JB heard about the death of an officer at the SAME TIME

This is impossible - the first police radio reports to a shooting are

time stamped around 1.18pm and radio did not report it until @1.50pm (KLIF)

Mr Brewer observes the police reacting at around 1.18pm



LHO simply cannot make it to the TT by around 1.15pm and kill JDT

Besides that is the time JDT is shot.

LHO cannot have done it

according to dispatch records first alert to TT is 1.36pm which is reasonable

considering Mr Brewer does look through the TT for LHO before alerting police



This is the direct route to the TT having gone no where near the JD crime scene and it works in perfectly with most other evidence as to the timeline. Arriving at around 1.18pm. Which is about perfect given all the eyewitness evidence and the sudden arrival of police responding to Mr Benavides call for help on JD?s radio.

Jesse Curry confirms this timeline himself in a recorded interview which is damning to the case against Oswald.



This is the direct route to the JD scene. He could make it in time to shoot JD at 1.15pm If he walked fast and went directly to JD?s location. (even this is generous as the warren commission asserts 1.03pm as his official departure time)

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That STAMPS LHO at Hardy?s at around 1.16 pm and entering the TT before 1.20 pm corroborating the eye witness accounts of 4 men Burroughs,Davis,Benevidez and Curry. Just before the movie starts at 1.20pm

Its not "he didn't do it"

It's "he physically can't have done it"

Right off the bat Mr Bugliosi states Mr Brewer first sights LHO at about 1.15pm

This is a problem because evidence suggests @1.15pm as the time JDT is shot and killed

Perhaps you've never read TF Bowley's or Helen Markham's affidavits,

Markham was on her way to catch a 1:12 Bus when she saw JD Tippit shot to death....  She said she left her apartment house at 1:00 and had walked one  block to the corner of 10th and Patton when she spotted the police car cruising slowly along 10th street tailing a man who was walking east on the sidewalk on the south side of 10th street.  Her affidavit states the time was 1:06.....And she restated that time in testifying before the warren commission...

TF Bowley said that he arrived on the scene in his car after having picked up his daughter at school ....Bowley said he looked at his watch when he got out of his car where Tippit was lying on the street... Bowley said that the time was 1:10.

Tippit was not shot at 1:15.....He was over five minutes on his way to eternity at 1:15.....

[Jerry Freeman]

@12:54.....     

Dispatcher    78.         
     78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)    78.         
     Dispatcher    You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?         
     78    Lancaster and Eighth.         
     Dispatcher    You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.         
     78    10-4.

Why would the dispatcher single out Tippit with this indication that there may be an emergency that would require his attention?
Between 12:55 and 1:03..dispatch calls Tippit... there is no response.
@1:16....

Citizen    Hello, police operator?         
     Dispatcher    Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.

     Quite an instant acknowledgement  from dispatch there- that a 'citizen' was using the police radio.
     

Citizen    There's been a shooting out here...... It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. 

[Eddie Haymaker]

We can't get bogged down with all the BS witnesses at the JD crime scene

We got 10 witnesses with 11 different stories

Some change their mind about who and what they saw

But If Mr Benavides waited for the fleeing suspect to leave then checked JD
and went straight to the police radio like he say's that would fit the evidence.They get the message between 1.15pm and 1.17pm then they dispatch officer down at 1.18pm.

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Oswald leaves his rooming house at around 1.03pm

are you suggesting he sprints to east 10th arriving in around 6 minutes?

Or by 1.06pm 3 minutes

Is LHO a world class athlete now?

well he's a world class marksman too

He should have been in the Olympics

Who was closer than Mr Benavides to the crime scene?

No sorry, I trump your 2 witnesses easily with the standing evidence

We all know of Mrs Markhams credibility as a witness

As I look through the internet between 1.14-1.16 pm is widely accepted

by believers and non-believers as the time of JD's death.

Is there a famous author or personality who says otherwise?

[Bill Chapman]

Right off the bat Mr Bugliosi states Mr Brewer first sights LHO at about 1.15pm

Re 1:15

No. Bug doesn't say that. 

Brewer heard about the Oak Cliff shooting at about 1:15 ..he didn't see Oswald at 1:15

[Eddie Haymaker]

C'mon semantics bud semantics

His WR evidence is much the same

Its a shame its impossible though

Of course news of the JD shooting is not broadcast at @1.15pm

even If he was killed sooner that is way too soon

The world is waiting to hear If JFK is officially dead or not

It takes until around 1.50pm before news of the JD shooting is broadcast

on public radio (KLIF Dallas)

Brewer says he never heard the word of JFK's death on the radio

which proves between 1.15pm and 1.30om Brewer was not in his shop

when the official news broke of JFK's official demise. (@1.30pm)