An opportunistic killer or a conspiracy to murder?

[Eddie Haymaker]

You are looking at it all wrong.  JFK while President rode by millions of people in an open limo. He finally ran into a nut who had the chance.

I don't know anyone who claims that Oswald planned this for months.

I'm looking at it wrong?

like the zapruder film critics? they say that too, you are looking at it wrong

So out of those millions of people how many do you think were
former marines who denounced their US citizenship then were allowed
back into the country and were under active federal surveillance at the time?

What you are saying is reasonable but ignores the timeline.
If he worked there for a year I couldn't say this
If he worked there for 6 months it would be debatable
If he worked there for 3 months it would be highly suspicious
Under 5 weeks? NO NO NO NO CHANCE.

This is a deliberate placement
The guy said he was a patsy
and was promptly dispatched
A communist in Texas? - someone everybody can hate
Do I have to draw you a picture?

 If it walks like a donkey
and  neigh's like a donkey
yeah its a donkey alright

It was DA henry wade's initial assessment of the crime that it was planned
months in advance.In a public statement

[Jack Trojan]

You are looking at it all wrong.  JFK while President rode by millions of people in an open limo. He finally ran into a nut who had the chance.

Millions of people? 

I agree that someone has to win the lottery, but the long odds here refer to JFK running into a lone nut who wanted to kill him and that his killer got a job at the TSBD 3 weeks after the motorcade route was finalized which would take him within 60 feet of his killer via an unorthodox turn onto Elm St. JFK was being served up on a silver platter. Why Oswald didn't take a shot then is the biggest mystery.

I don't know anyone who claims that Oswald planned this for months.

No, but the conspirators did and Oswald was Plan B. Thomas Arthur Vallee was Plan A in Chicago on Nov 2nd, 1963, which got nixed after rumor got out of an assassination attempt.

Oswald got his job Oct 5th, 1963, 3 weeks before the Chicago hit was put in jeopardy when a landlady ratted out 4 hitmen to the SS, who subsequently scrubbed the Chicago mission and went with Plan B in Dallas.

And if all these events were just coincidences, then I'll eat a bug.

[Brian Walker]

Millions of people? 

I agree that someone has to win the lottery, but the long odds here refer to JFK running into a lone nut who wanted to kill him and that his killer got a job at the TSBD 3 weeks after the motorcade route was finalized which would take him within 60 feet of his killer via an unorthodox turn onto Elm St. JFK was being served up on a silver platter. Why Oswald didn't take a shot then is the biggest mystery.

No, but the conspirators did and Oswald was Plan B. Thomas Arthur Vallee was Plan A in Chicago on Nov 2nd, 1963, which got nixed after rumor got out of an assassination attempt.

Oswald got his job Oct 5th, 1963, 3 weeks before the Chicago hit was put in jeopardy when a landlady ratted out 4 hitmen to the SS, who subsequently scrubbed the Chicago mission and went with Plan B in Dallas.

And if all these events were just coincidences, then I'll eat a bug.

Yes JFK rode in motorcades in front of millions of people when he was President. When you ride in a slow moving open limo ( JFK's choice ) you serve yourself up on a silver platter.

It is not a mystery why Oswald did not take the shot then and this has been rehashed over and over again.

So the SS was protecting JFK in Chicago but not in Dallas? Is that your argument? There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.

[Eddie Haymaker]

October 16, 1963: LHO begins work at the TSBD.

thats UNDER 5 Weeks.

Does he apply for a dozen jobs all along the motorcade route? No

Does he bring his pistol? no

Is ammunition found amongst his belongings at the Payne's? No

Does he have an opportunity to sight his rifle ? No

He is seen at the Sports Drome Rifle Range on the 16th Nov
by Dr Homer Wood and his Son but according to RP and MO
(WC Testimony) He does not travel to Irving that weekend at all
 so had no access to the MC


According to the Government's version of events LHO had no idea JFK
was driving near his building until the 19th (Tuesday) at the earliest

Something is rotten in Denmark

[John Iacoletti]

There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.

There's no evidence that Oswald did either.

[Bill Chapman]

Yes JFK rode in motorcades in front of millions of people when he was President. When you ride in a slow moving open limo ( JFK's choice ) you serve yourself up on a silver platter.

It is not a mystery why Oswald did not take the shot then and this has been rehashed over and over again.

So the SS was protecting JFK in Chicago but not in Dallas? Is that your argument? There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.

Not threatening to shoot Kennedy would be the smart move if one was indeed going to make such an attempt.

[Tim Nickerson]

It's very simple math, Ross.  It about 150,000,000 to 1. Not all that hard to figure out.

I was told when I joined this forum that there wasn't going to be any math.

[Eddie Haymaker]

I was told when I joined this forum that there wasn't going to be any math.

well played sir LOL
nice to see some humour around here

Surprising nobody has brought up Mr Bugliosi's argument that the visit was planned after
LHO getting the job.
which is really no evidence at all.
Its just a chicken/egg argument
(he may well have been placed there before the trip was arranged.)
then when it was arranged they made sure the motorcade went right by him.

this was no fluke c'mon man