Did C.E.P. Destroy The Lives of People Who Shouldn't Even Have Been Suspected?

[Thomas Graves]

Oops.

Double post.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   

[Thomas Graves]

Note: E.C.P. = Clare Edward Petty. You know, the CI/SIG analyst who came to believe that Oswald's budd, George DeMohrenschildt, was a long-term KGB "illegal"?

Paul Garbler, for example?

(The CIA head of Moscow Station when certain things happened?)

How about all those nice people in French Intelligence back-in-the-day?

LOL

What say you, Tom Scully?

-- Mud Wrassler Tommy 

[Tom Scully]

Are we discussing C.E.P. or E.C.P.?

....People Who Shouldn't Even Have Been Suspected?

A bit stingy with the wiggle room, aren't we? Is this not a question of competence, of reliable analysis?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/clare-edward-petty-cold-warrior-and-spycatching-cia-officer-dies-at-90/2011/04/13/AFGpYziD_story.html?utm_term=.1350674f3254
Obituaries
Clare Edward Petty, Cold Warrior and spycatching CIA officer, dies at 90
By Emma Brown April 15, 2011
......
The price of that move was Mr. Petty?s job ? he retired almost immediately ? and his reputation. His accusation against Angleton was dismissed in a CIA study, and Mr. Petty remains one of the more controversial figures in the agency?s history.

?To this day, there are people who don?t want to hear Ed Petty?s name,? said Mary Ellen Reese, who wrote a 1990 book about the CIA?s work in postwar West Germany. He may not have been right about Angleton, but ?he acted out of his conviction regardless of the consequences to him, which he knew would be grave,? she said. ?He was a man of real principle and a real patriot.?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1993/08/01/tinker-tailor-soldier-victim/50f7eb1b-dc92-44f0-aa32-ee439073a1a2/?utm_term=.7243c60c39af
TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER -- VICTIM
By David Wise August 1, 1993
...But so were the suspicions voiced by one of Angleton's mole hunters, Clare Edward Petty, who had been previously credited with detecting a high-level KGB mole inside West German intelligence. Petty's reason for suspecting Bennett was convoluted: Bennett had reported to Langley that a West German intelligence officer assigned to Washington as liaison with the CIA had looked frightened during a visit to Ottawa when Bennett asked him whether he had run into a certain KGB man on a trip to South America....
.....In 1972, frustrated by lack of evidence, the Mounties confronted Bennett, subjecting him to harsh interrogation for days. When Bennett was asked intimate details of his sexual relations with his wife, he realized his bedroom was bugged. He was locked out of his office and told he was through. Facing dismissal, the chief Canadian counterspy wrote in his diary: "My life has been destroyed. What more do they want of me? May God forgive them . . . ."

The strain on Bennett's marriage was too much. Three months later, his wife left him, taking their two daughters with her to Australia. Bennett also eventually moved to Australia, to Glenelg, where he eked out an existence on his small government pension. Single now, he drives to the laundromat, does his own wash and shopping and lives in a rental unit. He has managed to maintain his dignity and has tried not to become embittered. But injustice has a way of gnawing at a man.

In 1977, Canada's solicitor general told a parliamentary hearing there was "no evidence" that Bennett was anything but a loyal citizen. But his words did not clear Bennett.

The CIA put Heinz Herre, the West German, under surveillance. "A few months later, in the summer, Herre goes to Jackson Hole on vacation and two KGB guys go on the same trip," Petty said to me. In Petty's view, the KGB was trying to frame Herre by sending its officers out wherever Herre was traveling. "It was to make Herre look bad." And Bennett, Petty decided, must be part of the KGB plot. "We would not have known anything about Herre's South America trip if Bennett had not informed us," Petty said.....
....The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the agency that took over from the Mounties in 1984, confirmed that Bennett has received his settlement. Although CSIS declined to specify the amount, Bennett indicated it was in the neighborhood of $140,000, which will net him more than $100,000 after taxes of 25 percent -- small enough recompense for two decades as a suspected spy, and a shattered life. Canada's commendable action in compensating Bennett, however belatedly, echoes the endgame of the CIA's own hunt for traitors within: Three victims of the CIA's mole hunt were compensated under an obscure act of Congress known as "The Mole Relief Act," enacted to redress the wrongs done to CIA officers whose careers were destroyed by false accusations of disloyalty. Peter Karlow, a senior officer and World War II hero, received about $500,000, and smaller amounts went to Paul Garbler, first chief of the CIA's Moscow station, and Richard Kovich, another veteran CIA officer. The three payments together totalled about $750,000.

The former CIA man who knew Bennett told me, "This was a Canadian tragedy. A terrible thing was done to this man. He was fired and his wife left him. His life was virtually ended at that point. He was completely innocent."

As for Bennett, dismissed after 18 years of service to Canada, he knows the lost years can never be recovered. He told Canadian television he is annoyed that his tormentors "received no formal punishment for crime against an innocent man."...

Amusing Url.....

http://www.brainsturbator.com/posts/160/a-toast-to-clare-petty
A Toast to Clare Petty
2013-01-02 03:55:00
...After destroying a few lives and wasting many thousands of pre-Nixon dollars, he concluded that no such plot existed.....
.....Petty would spend the last two years of his CIA employment covertly building a case to implicate Angleton himself as the primary KGB mole.

It should not go unremarked that Clare Petty made his case and resigned from the CIA in 1974, the same year that John Le Carre published Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, a novel advancing the premise that British intelligence had been similarly compromised on the highest level for much of the cold war. If Petty has ever been asked about this fictional synchronicity, the results remain unpublished. Strange resonance aside, his report was instrumental in giving William Colby the leverage to get Angleton out of power and radically remake the Agency.

Speaking to David Martin several baffling years later, Petty claimed that his brief was based on 25 points of evidence and he spent a week being interviewed on tape about his research. (It could also be remarked that David Blee was in the room for much of this testimony. David should not be confused with his equally ubiquitous son, Richard Blee, who figures prominently in the history of the CIA's later relationship with Bin Laden.)

Despite Petty's doubts, all of his 25 points were discarded almost immediately as a rationale to end Mother's reign. James Angleton has been cleared, at least in terms of history and the CIA's public documentation, of being the most audaciously successful KGB agent known to man. Although Petty's actions are usually described today as a cautionary tale about paranoia, I consider him to be an inspirational character, an admirably pure product of his training....

[Thomas Graves]

Are we discussing C.E.P. or E.C.P.?
A bit stingy with the wiggle room, aren't we? Is this not a question of competence, of reliable analysis?
Amusing Url.....

Tom,

From the Master Debater website article you quoted:

"It should not go unremarked that Clare Petty made his case [against Angleton?] and resigned from the CIA in 1974, the same year that John Le Carre published Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, a novel advancing the premise that British intelligence had been similarly compromised on the highest level for much of the cold war. If Petty has ever been asked about this fictional synchronicity, the results remain unpublished. Strange resonance aside, his report was instrumental in giving William Colby the leverage to get Angleton out of power and radically remake the Agency."

Which report was that, Tom?  Can you post a link to it, here?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

PS. It's interesting that another website I came across about an hour ago says Petty never seriously considered JJA to be a "mole."

If true, then Petty was quite a decent chap, after all.

PPS  Can you give me any more specifics? Like the names of the people involved in that Canadian homing pidgeon case, for example?

Thanks.

[Tom Scully]

Ahhhh! William Nelson!

Cloak & Gown: Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961
By Robin W. Winks

On 4/17/2012 at 7:09 AM, Tom Scully said:
.......................

William Earl Nelson was the best man in the wedding of Philip Fendig, who was an usher in Nelson's wedding.:

  On 4/16/2012 at 5:11 AM, Tom Scully said:
CIA Who's Where in Europe

http://cryptome.org/dirty-work/cia-who-where.htm

FENDIG, PHILIP FRANKLIN.

Ted Shackley introduces Philip F. Fendig to the HSCA :

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=100555#relPageId=2


MISS C. JOHNSTON IS WED IN CAPITAL; Has 2 Attendants at ...

New York Times - May 17, 1953

Johnston, wasl married this afternoon to Philipi Franklin Fendig, son of Mrs. Benjamin Franklin Fendig of Rensse- laer, Ind., and he late lr. Fendig,I in St. Thomas[/tt]

https://www.google.com/search?ei=B6wyXJ3IJeaI_Qar-ZLICA&q=latimes.com+william+nelson+cia+fluor&oq=latimes.com+william+nelson+cia+fluor&gs_l=psy-ab.12...18199.19674..20768...0.0..0.94.363.4......0....1..gws-wiz.Ryhg5B-f3nQ
.......
Crack Cop | OC Weekly
https://ocweekly.com ? News
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Kill the Messenger: How the CIA's Crack-Cocaine Controversy ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0786735260
Nick Schou - 2009 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
How the CIA's Crack-Cocaine Controversy Destroyed Journalist Gary Webb ... in the words of the LA Times?was on speaking terms with retired CIA agents is ... was working at the Fluor Corp., because I had to call Ron out there a couple of times. ... Next to Scott Weekly and Roberto D'Aubuisson was the name Bill Nelson.

[Thomas Graves]

To whom it may concern,

It's a pity that neither Petty nor anyone else in CIA or FBI ever uncovered the first CIA officer the KGB ever recruited (in Moscow in 1956), future Hoover Institute scholar and Crocker Bank vice president Edward Ellis Smith (d. 1982 in Redwood City, CA, in a somewhat mysterious hit-and-run accident), and even someone HE may have helped KGB to recruit, one of whom was most assuredly Peter Dale Scott's "Popov's Mole."

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

PS  It should be realized that CIA counterintelligence efforts against the KGB and the GRU became much more difficult in 1961when KGB's first "strategic deception counterintelligence operation" (involving triple-agent Dimitri Polyakov) "went active."

[Tom Scully]

Tommy,

You certainly have an uphill battle on your hands as far as supporting your analysis with facts.
The folks you are quoting demonstrated similar discernment to that of the 81 percent of christian evangelicals
who voted for,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?utm_term=.021d2eec3b41
...And when you're a star, they let you do it,....

24 things nobody does better than Trump (according to Trump) ? VICE ...
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/nedxnm/24-things-nobody-does-better-than-trump-according-to-trump
Feb 22, 2017 - Question: Who's better than President Tump at ?loving the Bible,? ?respecting women,? or knowing ?the game?? Answer: Nobody, at least ...

....on election day in November, 2016!

[Thomas Graves]

Tommy,

You certainly have an uphill battle on your hands as far as supporting your analysis with facts.
The folks you are quoting demonstrated similar discernment to that of the 81 percent of christian evangelicals
who voted for,
....on election day in November, 2016!

Tom,

Supporting my analysis of what with facts?

That Ivan Obyedkov was a triple-agent?

That Aleksey Kulak ("Fedora") was a triple-agent, and Yuri Nosenko a false defector (even PDS believes that now, thanks to John Newman)?

That George DeMohrenschildt was a long-term KGB "illegal"?

That Donald Trump has been laundering money for the Russian Mafia since 1984, and that he, as Putin's compromised "useful idiot," was installed by KGBMAFIA-boy Putin, and his lackey-agent Julian Assange, as our president?

What, Tom?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy