Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[Zeon Mason]

Bronson film frame at approx. 5 to 6 minutes before JFK motorcade arrives.


approx. 12:24 earliest to 12:25 latest


So can anyone see Norman in the 5th floor window? Because both Jarman and Norman would have to be at their windows FOR CERTAIN if they left even as late as 12:22pm. Is there anyway to enhance the Bronson film enought to determine if Norman is at his window at 12:24?


The box is in the window on the 6th floor SE window at this time of 12:24 to 12:25

[Zeon Mason]

 Mr. BALL - What did you do when you got to the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - We got out the elevator and pulled the gate down. That was in case somebody wanted to use it. Then we went to the front of the building, which is on the south side, and raised the windows.
Mr. BALL - Which windows did you raise?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, Harold raised the first window to the east side of the building, and I went to the second rear windows and raised, counting the windows, it would be the fourth one.
Mr. BALL - It would be the fourth window?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did somebody join you then?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir; a few minutes later.
Mr. BALL - Who joined you?
Mr. JARMAN - Bonnie Ray Williams.


Since it appears, imo, that the 5th floor window IS open in the Bronson film, then it is reasonable probability that Norman has raised it just before Bronson film begins not earler thatn 12:25, so likely Norman did get there by AT LEAST 12:24.


That means Norman/Jarman had to have left from front of TSBD not later than 12:22pm, treked 250 ft at 5 ft pers second, around the perimeter of the TSBD so entered the rear door approx 45 sec then 35 sec to take elevator to 5th floor at 1 floor per 7 sec speed, then walked acoss about another 160 tt in 40 sec, so its reasonable probable time required of 2 minutes to be at their windows and have raised the windows.

For Jarmans statement that BRW joined them "a few minutes later" ie: at least 2 minutes later, means that if Norman and Jarman left at 12:22, and dont get to their windows untill 12:24, then BRW did not join them until 12:26


This is improbable, since the 6th floor SE shooter has to have been IN the snipers nest approx by 12:23 to have some time to choose on the spot, which boxes he wants to move, and or stack, and gets this done by 12:24 and also hides himself from view of the Bronson film perspective.



What reason would Jarman and Norman have had to leave EARLIER than the 12:22 radio news the JFK limo was about to approach?

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BALL - What did you do when you got to the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - We got out the elevator and pulled the gate down. That was in case somebody wanted to use it. Then we went to the front of the building, which is on the south side, and raised the windows.
Mr. BALL - Which windows did you raise?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, Harold raised the first window to the east side of the building, and I went to the second rear windows and raised, counting the windows, it would be the fourth one.
Mr. BALL - It would be the fourth window?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did somebody join you then?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir; a few minutes later.
Mr. BALL - Who joined you?
Mr. JARMAN - Bonnie Ray Williams.


Since it appears, imo, that the 5th floor window IS open in the Bronson film, then it is reasonable probability that Norman has raised it just before Bronson film begins not earler thatn 12:25, so likely Norman did get there by AT LEAST 12:24.


That means Norman/Jarman had to have left from front of TSBD not later than 12:22pm, treked 250 ft at 5 ft pers second, around the perimeter of the TSBD so entered the rear door approx 45 sec then 35 sec to take elevator to 5th floor at 1 floor per 7 sec speed, then walked acoss about another 160 tt in 40 sec, so its reasonable probable time required of 2 minutes to be at their windows and have raised the windows.

For Jarmans statement that BRW joined them "a few minutes later" ie: at least 2 minutes later, means that if Norman and Jarman left at 12:22, and dont get to their windows untill 12:24, then BRW did not join them until 12:26


This is improbable, since the 6th floor SE shooter has to have been IN the snipers nest approx by 12:23 to have some time to choose on the spot, which boxes he wants to move, and or stack, and gets this done by 12:24 and also hides himself from view of the Bronson film perspective.



What reason would Jarman and Norman have had to leave EARLIER than the 12:22 radio news the JFK limo was about to approach?

For Jarmans statement that BRW joined them "a few minutes later" ie: at least 2 minutes later, means that if Norman and Jarman left at 12:22, and dont get to their windows untill 12:24, then BRW did not join them until 12:26

"A few minutes" has no meaning in this context....  Jarmen wasn't paying attention to when BRW joined them ( Jarman & Norman) on the fifth floor....And J & N are on record as saying they went to the fifth floor at about 12:25 and arrived there at about 12:28...

The frame from the Bronson film that shows the SE corner of the TSBD was taken at about 12:25.....Neither Jarman nor Norman were on the fifth floor at 12:25 ..and BRW claimed that he was on the sixth floor at that time.   And that may ? be what the Bronson films shows..... ie; there is nobody visible behind the fifth floor windows but there appears to be a person in LIGHT COLORED clothing behind the sixth floor window.

[Oscar Navarro]

That is so "convincing"!

"I am not sure. . . I don't know which of those two. . . No; I won't say for sure. . .Am I right or wrong?"

Maybe he was right the first time.  He saw a couple of black guys in the window, saw two black guys come out and assumed they were the same guys (and yet somehow missed Oswald allegedly walking right out the front door).  Then he sat with them on the plane to Washington and his memory "improved".

How many black guys walked out of the TSBD after the assassination?

Respond to the entire post and not just cherry pick the part where you can create a false narrative. BTW, was Brennan supposed to know how many black guys worked in the TSBD?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Bronson film frame at approx. 5 to 6 minutes before JFK motorcade arrives.


approx. 12:24 earliest to 12:25 latest


So can anyone see Norman in the 5th floor window? Because both Jarman and Norman would have to be at their windows FOR CERTAIN if they left even as late as 12:22pm. Is there anyway to enhance the Bronson film enought to determine if Norman is at his window at 12:24?


The box is in the window on the 6th floor SE window at this time of 12:24 to 12:25

The Hughes film is much clearer (or less blurry). It clearly (for me) shows a black man (seems like Norman to me) sticking head out the window on the fifth floor right below the sniper's nest and waving to the limo/JFK/motorcade about seven seconds before the first shot (depending on when that was).

Go here below, scroll to the 1:30 mark. You can also see, faintly, Williams (or it Jarman?) in the window next to him.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Mr. BALL - What did you do when you got to the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - We got out the elevator and pulled the gate down. That was in case somebody wanted to use it. Then we went to the front of the building, which is on the south side, and raised the windows.
Mr. BALL - Which windows did you raise?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, Harold raised the first window to the east side of the building, and I went to the second rear windows and raised, counting the windows, it would be the fourth one.
Mr. BALL - It would be the fourth window?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did somebody join you then?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir; a few minutes later.
Mr. BALL - Who joined you?
Mr. JARMAN - Bonnie Ray Williams.

Zeon: You need to edit out all of that white/blank spaces between paragraphs, please. Duncan wants us to save bandwidth by not having so much "open" area.

[Walt Cakebread]

The Hughes film is much clearer (or less blurry). It clearly (for me) shows a black man (seems like Norman to me) sticking head out the window on the fifth floor right below the sniper's nest and waving to the limo/JFK/motorcade about seven seconds before the first shot (depending on when that was).

Go here below, scroll to the 1:30 mark. You can also see, faintly, Williams (or it Jarman?) in the window next to him.

There is a significant time interval between the Bronson film (!2:25) and the  Hughes film (12:29) .....and yet the image behind the sixth floor window appear to be the same...Nothing there but light colored cardboard boxes.....

[Steve M. Galbraith]

There is a significant time interval between the Bronson film (!2:25) and the  Hughes film (12:29) .....and yet the image behind the sixth floor window appear to be the same...Nothing there but light colored cardboard boxes.....

If you watch the rest of the clip you'll see that an enhancement of the window shows, according to the analysis provided, movement by a person.

I see something move too but I can't tell what it is.