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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #200 on: January 29, 2019, 04:20:16 AM »
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Oswalds were coming out of the woodwork before Nov 22. Lee was not supposed to have been in Dallas during the month of September...however the FBI filed this report----
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=511
Too bad that application got tossed away. I would like to have seen it.

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #201 on: January 29, 2019, 09:28:10 AM »
  Are you being disingenuous there or cynical or both? Any reader can see what I wrote..... The show being about a rampant pro-Castro communist. Then as it seems, Oswald became a humble mealy stock boy at a book supply like nothing ever happened.

Nice little word game you're playing there, Jerry. By claiming the possibility of something and then inserting [seem like] after the fact you can affirm or deny anything that suits you.  Who's really the disingenuous one here, Jerry? Also, Oswald was pretty much disillusioned in being rejected by the Cuban consulate and did in fact appear to have cooled off with his enthusiasm for a Cuban adventure. Upon his return from MC he began looking for work, I believe became more interested in learning how to drive and there's no evidence that he wanted to resume his FPCC activities.
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #202 on: January 29, 2019, 09:38:24 AM »
And an impostor that, according to the Cuban and Soviet personnel, made quite a scene. Duran and Azcue said Oswald raised a ruckus and had to be physically escorted out of the building. Azcue told him, "The Revolution doesn't need people like you."

Then this impostor goes to the Soviet Embassy and is, according to the KGB officers/Soviet Embassy staffers, hysterical and emotional. He pulls out a revolver and says he needs it to protect himself. He says the "notorious FBI" is after him. Quite a scene.

But this supposedly Oswald fake is trying to get a visa? Two of them. Visas with photos and signatures on them. That he had to provide? And he pulls stunts like this?

The Soviet Embassy in Washington had photos of Oswald; he lived there for several years and all citizens were required to have internal passports. Plus they had his application for a visa with his photo. So this fake Oswald goes to get a visa and Washington approves it and sends it to Mexico City. When the Soviet officials receive it and look at the photo and see this impostor is just that: an impostor, what would happen?

This whole idea of faking him is completely illogical given what he had to do - provide photos, give his signatures - once there.

In other words, the crazier the circumstances the more reason for believing there was a plot. It reminds me of those Rube Goldberg creations that had really complicated machines doing very simple tasks.

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2019, 10:35:28 AM »
Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

Have you considered the possibility that not only did Oswald not go to Mexico City, but that no one physically impersonated him there?

It could very well be that, as Duran and Azcue collectively described their "Oswald in Mexico City," short, blond, skinny, blue-eyed, 35 year-old, suit-wearing, very thin-faced "Third Secretary/Assistant Cultural Attache" KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov provided Sylvia Duran with Oswald's passport-sized photo, and told her and her colleagues what to do and say (with approval from Castro, of course).

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Unless, of course, you're deadset in believing that the evil, evil, evil "Deep State" CIA killed JFK.

LOL

As I have already pointed out Duran could have easily confused Oswald's grey eyes for blue just as FBI informer T-6 did. I'll also add Oswald's Selective Service registration card has Blue eyes for Oswald https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=713&tab=page Grey eyes can be easily confused for blue eyes. You're treating a 15 year old memory as if it's the Holy Grail yet ignore the countless times Duran identified Oswald in 1963 as the man seen in the photos who was accused of shooting JFK and the photos of Oswald being shot by Ruby. You also ignore her testimony that the man whom she met at the Cuban consulate in MC and whose photos she handled for the Cuban transit visa application she identified as Oswald, the man who is accused of shooting JFK and being shot by Ruby.

It appears that being hung up on a theory based on nothing but heresay and fantasy is more important than using the evidence that is available and unassailable to reach a logical conclusion. That's what I would describe as the essence of the entire premise behind the many different theories that go against the basic conclusions reached by the WC about Oswald.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #204 on: January 29, 2019, 10:50:02 AM »
Your "humbly mealy stock boy" was telling people (the Paines for example) that he was a Marxist and that he detested the American political and economic systems.

In fact, according to Michael Paine and (others who were there) he attended an ACLU meeting where he stood up and warned about the far right in Dallas (Walker specifically) and got into a disagreement - reportedly a near fight - with another member over their disagreements. He said he didn't like the ACLU because it wasn't "political" enough.

Sure he was quiet on the job because he didn't want to get fired - again - for expressing his anti-US views. But he was still agitating for Castro and for his Marxist beliefs.

I agree with everything you say except that I think Oswald became disillusioned with Castro.

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #205 on: January 29, 2019, 10:58:41 AM »
That proves he went to Mexico?That proves he went to Mexico? That proves he went to Mexico? Let's stick to the topic OK?

Does Oswald's employment at the TSBD confirm that he did not go to MC? Where the heck was Oswald between Sept 26th and October 3rd, 1963 if not on his way to Mexico, in MC and on his way back from MC?

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #206 on: January 29, 2019, 02:06:08 PM »
I agree with everything you say except that I think Oswald became disillusioned with Castro.
I'm not sure about that. He expressed anger at the Cuban consulate officials - especially Azcue - for turning down his request for a visa. But I don't think he blamed Castro for their acts. Did he ever tell anyone about his change in views?

I think he truly believed that once he showed the Cubans in Mexico City his pro-Castro activity that he had done in New Orleans that summer that they would welcome him to their "Revolution." So he was quite upset at the turn down. But remember they did grant him that transit visa later on. Although there's no evidence that I've seen that he knew about it.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #207 on: January 29, 2019, 02:42:17 PM »
Does Oswald's employment at the TSBD confirm that he did not go to MC?
No one claimed that. Why are you inventing statements that were never made?
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Where the heck was Oswald between Sept 26th and October 3rd, 1963 if not on his way to Mexico...?
The strawman argument again---If Oswald was not in Mexico then where was he? We don't know where else he could have been..therefor he must have been in Mexico.


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