When did Jarman and Norman go to the 5th floor?

[Bob Prudhomme]

I have mistakenly assumed, over the years, that the Domino Room, if that is what we are referring to as the "lunch room", was more centrally located; and that it had a door going into it and another door leading out of it (or vice versa). However, I see from the floor plan that I was mistaken, and that it is in a corner with only one door into it.

If Jarman and Norman were entering the rear of the TSBD for the purpose of going up to the 5th floor, just before the motorcade arrived, why would they take a detour into the Domino Room?

[Colin Crow]

Too bad BALL gave up on DOUGHERTY...

Mr. BALL - What time do you usually go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, usually about 12 o'clock or 12 noon.
Mr. BALL - Do you carry your lunch most of the time from home?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And where do you usually eat your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, they have got what they call a domino room in there and I usually eat it in there.
Mr. BALL - You usually eat your lunch in the domino room?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And how long do you take for lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, from 12 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL - Forty-five minutes?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you always take a full hour?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; I usually do.

Well, almost, so who did he lunch with that day?

Mr. BALL. Did you have lunch?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. ARCE. In that little domino room there.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go after that?
Mr. ARCE. I went outside.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. ARCE. With Billy Lovelady and Mr. Shelley and I was out there with Junior.
Mr. BALL. Who is Junior?
Mr. ARCE. I don't know his real name; I just know him by Junior.
Mr. BALL. Was Bonnie Ray Williams ever out there with you?
Mr. ARCE. No, he stayed upstairs with Hank. Junior stayed up there but he was down a little while and I guess he went upstairs.
Mr. BALL. What about Givens?
Mr. ARCE. He was down there with Shields, I guess---I mean Melvin---no, Carl, that's who he was with.
Mr. BALL. What about Jack Dougherty?
Mr. ARCE. He was on all floors; I couldn't tell you where he was.
Mr. BALL. Was he outside?
Mr. ARCE No, he was eating lunch; me and Jack Dougherty, same timei.
Mr. BALL. Dougherty ate his lunch?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.

[Colin Crow]

As there has been no meaningful challenge to the original estimate I would consider this question answered.

All available evidence indicates that Jarman and Norman arrived on the 5th floor some time shortly after 12.25pm.

DVP can use this to update his website.

Perhaps we can move to the next question.

[Michael O'Brian]

As there has been no meaningful challenge to the original estimate I would consider this question answered.

All available evidence indicates that Jarman and Norman arrived on the 5th floor some time shortly after 12.25pm.

DVP can use this to update his website.

Perhaps we can move to the next question.

Would they have needed permission from Truly to go back inside before the motorcade arrived? I think he ordered everyone outside to watch the President pass

[Walt Cakebread]

As there has been no meaningful challenge to the original estimate I would consider this question answered.

All available evidence indicates that Jarman and Norman arrived on the 5th floor some time shortly after 12.25pm.

DVP can use this to update his website.

Perhaps we can move to the next question.

All available evidence indicates that Jarman and Norman arrived on the 5th floor some time shortly after 12.25pm.

Yes....And Lee Oswald said that he was on the first floor and he saw them "come in" as they traveled to the fifth floor.

At the time witnesses were watching a man in light colored khaki clothing behind a sixth floor window.   Bonnie Ray Williams claimed that he was on the sixth floor near that SE corner window at the time.  Williams had to have seen the man in the khaki uniform......

[Pat Speer]

Uhhh... I discuss Oswald's alibi regarding Jarman and Norman ad nauseum in chapter 4 at patspeer.com

I nail a lot of stuff down, including that someone sitting in the Domino Room with the door open would have a perfect view of anyone coming in the back door. This is shown here. The back door is on the left of the photo and the Domino Room entrance is on the right.

[Colin Crow]

Would they have needed permission from Truly to go back inside before the motorcade arrived? I think he ordered everyone outside to watch the President pass

Never heard that before Michael. Of the employees under his control, Piper, West, Williams, Oswald  and Dougherty were all inside the building

[John Iacoletti]

Would they have needed permission from Truly to go back inside before the motorcade arrived? I think he ordered everyone outside to watch the President pass

Ordered?  When?