Lack Of Damage To CE-399

[Martin Weidmann]

the article says that Harbison was given the three fragments on 11/25/63. Three days after Bell gave her fragments to Nolan.

Item number 7 on the evidence list for 11/22/63 lists "Bullet fragments taken from body of of Governor Connally"    The note accompanying the description of  item #7 says....Mrs Audrey Bell, Operating room nurse , to Bob Nolan, DPS, to Capt. Fritz, to Crime lab, to FBI. 

Walt, please read the preceding posts before you jump into the discussion.

The three fragments that Harbison were given on 11/25/63, while guarding the room where Connally was in, are not the same ones as those given by nurse Bell to Officer Nolan three days earlier. The record, as it currently stands, makes no mention of the Harbison fragments. All we have is what he told Earl Golz.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, please read the preceding posts before you jump into the discussion.

The three fragments that Harbison were given on 11/25/63, while guarding the room where Connally was in, are not the same ones as those given by nurse Bell to Officer Nolan three days earlier. The record, as it currently stands, makes no mention of the Harbison fragments. All we have is what he told Earl Golz.

Walt, please read the preceding posts before you jump into the discussion.

I was merely stating information.....I have no dog in this hunt......

I merely pointed out that the evidence list of the evidence that was turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63, lists the fragments removed from Connally.

Are you suggesting that they removed more fragments from Connally three days later .....  That doesn't make sense.   

[John Iacoletti]

the evidence list of the evidence that was turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63,

LOL.

[Martin Weidmann]

Walt, please read the preceding posts before you jump into the discussion.

I was merely stating information.....I have no dog in this hunt......

I merely pointed out that the evidence list of the evidence that was turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63, lists the fragments removed from Connally.

Are you suggesting that they removed more fragments from Connally three days later .....  That doesn't make sense.   

That's exactly why I said that you should have read the preceding posts. Then you would have known what my comments were about.

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying that I came across a newspaper article from the late 70's in which it says that Patrolman C. Harbison, who was guarding Connally's room at the hospital, was also given fragments of a bullet that came from Connally's body. This apparently happened on 11/25/63. Harbison claims he turned them over to the FBI but they haven't been seen since. Apparently this matter got the attention of HSCA investigators who - it seems - ultimately did nothing with it. Earl Golz brought it to the attention of the ARRB, which is mentioned in the memo I provided a link for in my earlier post.

[Walt Cakebread]

That's exactly why I said that you should have read the preceding posts. Then you would have known what my comments were about.

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying that I came across a newspaper article from the late 70's in which it says that Patrolman C. Harbison, who was guarding Connally's room at the hospital, was also given fragments of a bullet that came from Connally's body. This apparently happened on 11/25/63. Harbison claims he turned them over to the FBI but they haven't been seen since. Apparently this matter got the attention of HSCA investigators who - it seems - ultimately did nothing with it. Earl Golz brought it to the attention of the ARRB, which is mentioned in the memo I provided a link for in my earlier post.

As I said.... I was merely posting the information from the evidence list.....  But now that you've enlightened me about the newspaper story from the late seventies I'll offer my opinion ..... The news paper reporter was confused.

[John Tonkovich]

There was more than one X-Ray taken of the thigh. There were three. Two anterior posterial views and one lateral view. Dr Gregory examined all three.

You're suggesting...I can deduce the weight of an object by looking at crude (2D)  pictures of said object?  Well, I'm just a simple country boy, so I'd want to just use  a scale.

[Martin Weidmann]

As I said.... I was merely posting the information from the evidence list.....  But now that you've enlightened me about the newspaper story from the late seventies I'll offer my opinion ..... The news paper reporter was confused.

The news paper reporter was confused.

Huh?

That's what Tim said also. You're not going LN on me, are you now, Walt?

In any case; here's what the article starts with;

"A Texas highway patrolman who guarded then Gov John Connally's room at Parkland Hospital has told the Dallas Morning News he recalls turning over to an FBI agent more than three bullet fragments purportedly removed from Connally the day President John Kennedy was assassinated."

Later in the article it says: "Harbison was interviewed by the News SaPersonay"

The reporter, I have since learned, was Earl Golz

In a ARRB Memo from Joe Freeman to Jeremy Gunn dated April 26, 1996

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JFREEMAN/WP-DOCS/041996.WPD.pdf

its says on page 14;

4/11/77 HSCA staffer Kevin Walsh writes a memo referencing a call from Dallas reporter Earl Golz in which Golz says that a Texas State Trooper named Charles W. Harbison had come forward with the following information: Harbison claimed to have been at Parkland several days after the assassination, as Governor Connally was being moved out of the Intensive Care Unit; Harbison claimed that one of Connally’s doctors handed Harbison three or more bullet fragments which were explained to Harbison as having been removed from Connally.  Harbison told  Golz he turned the fragments over to an FBI agent whose name he  could not recall.  Apparently, Golz wrote about this claim in an article for the Dallas Morning News in or near the 1st of April, 1977.  Golz told Walsh that he (Golz) had put Harbison in touch with Audrey Bell and that Harbison believes the fragments he handled were different from the ones Bell was involved with.
 
No other information or corroboration has been found regarding this claim; nor has the news article been located as of this writing.

Could it be you were just confused, Walt?

[Tim Nickerson]

You're suggesting...I can deduce the weight of an object by looking at crude (2D)  pictures of said object?  Well, I'm just a simple country boy, so I'd want to just use  a scale.

I'm just a simple country boy myself. If I know the approximate width and height of an object and I know what the object is made of then I can deduce the approximate weight of that object.  The density of lead is about 11.35 g/cc. Dr. Gregory, in looking at the X-Rays of the thigh, said that the fragment in it was about 5 tenths of a millimeter by 2 millimeters. At those dimensions, the lead fragment would weigh 17.83 milligrams. One grain is equivalent to 64.8 milligrams. So, that fragment weighed about 1/4 of a grain.

After converting mm to cm:

.05 x 0.7854 x (0.2^2) = 0.0015708cc

0.0015708cc x 11.35g/cc = 0.017828

0.017828 x 1000 = 17.83 milligrams