Lack Of Damage To CE-399

[Tim Nickerson]

John Connally Mrs Connally
 There were 4 escort motorcycle police riding beside the limo--not one of them were called to testify.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/tomlinso.htm
After 4 months of preparation, Darrell Tomlinson still failed to provide the testimony that Arlen Specter really needed...the absolute certainty of just where he had found that bullet.
 
 


Testimony ignored and post ignored because it flies in the face of a theory that will never hold water.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,948.msg42300.html#msg42300

[Tim Nickerson]

The bullet was sent to Dalls for id by Tomlinson and Wright.

They were unable to ID the bullet and neither could Rowley or Johnsen.
All of these men were involved in the chain of possession.

Much later,an unsigned FBI memo was found that said that an agent took the bullet to Wright and Tomlinson who said it resembled the one they found
and this agent was Barwell Odum.

Liam,

The document that has Wright and Tomlinson saying that the bullet resembled the one they found is the same document that said that neither Rowley nor Johnsen could positively ID the bullet.

Garry Aguilar contacted Odum for confirmation and he said that he had never seen CE399.

Odum was well into his 80s and four decades had passed. He can be forgiven for not recalling having handled the bullet.

The positive ID was finally made by FBI agent Elmer Todd, who received the bullet from Rowley and delivered it to Robert Frazier at the crime lab.

Todd swore that he initialed the bullet ? but his initials are not on it either. The only initials on the bullet are those of Frazier and the other crime lab examiners.

How do you know that his initials are not on the bullet? Have you held the bullet and examined it using a magnifying glass? All that we have available to us today are low resolutions photos of it at the online National Archives site. We can't make out his marking on it in those low Res photos, just as we can't see Joseph Nicol's mark on it either. It's possible that Todd and Nicol never scribed their marks deeply at all. It's similar to Carl Day scratching his own marks on the empty shell casings and then needing the use of enhanced lighting and magnification in order to be able to make them out months later.

The FBI maintains that the bullet ? known as ?Q1? ? was delivered from Todd to Frazier at 7:30 p.m.

However, this does not jibe with Johnsen?s note stating that he gave the ?attached expended bullet? to his boss Chief James Rowley at 7:30 p.m.

Todd has a written receipt from Rowley dated 8:50 p.m., which again doesn?t jibe with the FBI lab?s claim that Todd delivered it to Frazier by 7:30 p.m.!

7:30 pm was something that Robert Frazier scribbled down sometime on the weekend. We know that 7:30 PM was not the only inaccurate time that he scribbled down that weekend. Take a look at the following:




We see the 7:30 PM marked on there. Take note of what I've underlined in red. Now take a look at the following from Frazier:





Frazier did not receive the two fragments from Sibert and O'Neill at 1:45 AM at the Lab because he was in the White House Garage at that time.

[Tim Nickerson]

CE573 looks just like a Carcano bullet. Anybody can tell that just by glancing at the picture below (which shows the similarities between CE573 and CE399):

I've always been surprised that no firearms expert could link it to Rifle C2766, because it sure looks like it's got plenty of undamaged surface area to make a positive identification. But evidently not.

CE573+%26+CE399+Comparison.jpg

NUTS!!.....  I wanted to post a picture of the Walker bullet, CE 573, to illustrate a bullet that struck a soft wooden window sash and a plaster wall.....both materials are much softer than a a man's wrist bone.....

Soft wooden window sash? LOL! Was it as soft as the cotton wadding that they fired bullets into at the Edgewood Arsenal?

[Walt Cakebread]

Soft wooden window sash? LOL! Was it as soft as the cotton wadding that they fired bullets into at the Edgewood Arsenal?

I found a good pic of the Walker bullet (CE 573) that had been posted on Mc Adams WS ......The Walker bullet had not stuck anything as dense as Connally's wrist and yet it is badly mangled.

[Tim Nickerson]

I found a good pic of the Walker bullet (CE 573) that had been posted on Mc Adams WS ......The Walker bullet had not stuck anything as dense as Connally's wrist and yet it is badly mangled.

What velocity was the Walker bullet traveling at when it struck the "soft wooden window sash"?  What velocity was CE-399 traveling at when it struck Connally's wrist?

[Walt Cakebread]

What velocity was the Walker bullet traveling at when it struck the "soft wooden window sash"?  What velocity was CE-399 traveling at when it struck Connally's wrist?

I don't believe that CE 399 stuck Connally's wrist......there were several bullet fragments recovered from his wrist and a fairly large fragment embedded in his thigh....

Where the hell did those fragments come from??    Certainly not the 160 grain CE 399.......

a grain is the smallest unit of weight in our system....  It is the weight of a single grain of wheat.....  or 1/2 of a cheerio 

[Tim Nickerson]

I don't believe that CE 399 stuck Connally's wrist......there were several bullet fragments recovered from his wrist and a fairly large fragment embedded in his thigh....

Where the hell did those fragments come from??    Certainly not the 160 grain CE 399.......

Why not? What specifically precludes those fragments from having come from CE-399?

[Andrew Mason]

Thanks for posting this.  Where did you find these?

This confirms that the visors were struck by blood, tissue or bone fragments.  It also indicates that the right visor was struck on both sides, which suggests that material bounced off the windshield or frame and hit the front side of the right visor. Both visors were flipped up at the time of the shots and not as showing in the sketch.