How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?

[Steve Thompson]

I'm asking you how you can tell that they are exactly the same.

Oh, well that's easy... I just put my assertion out there that the Muchmore/Zapruder headshots are "exactly the same" and dare anyone to disprove it.
If, after a week or so on this forum (with all its experts) no one can disprove my assertion, then it must be a fact.

But, in all seriousness, I'd say this is one of those cases where a lack of evidence is in fact evidence.
Either they are different, or they are the same.

Once again, what are the differences ?

[John Iacoletti]

Oh, well that's easy... I just put my assertion out there that the Muchmore/Zapruder headshots are "exactly the same" and dare anyone to disprove it.
If, after a week or so on this forum (with all its experts) no one can disprove my assertion, then it must be a fact.

<facepalm>

LBJ knew about the assassination in advance.  I dare you to disprove that.

But, in all seriousness, I'd say this is one of those cases where a lack of evidence is in fact evidence.
Either they are different, or they are the same.

....OR....

Whether they are the same or not is inconclusive and indeterminate.

[Steve Thompson]

<facepalm>

LBJ knew about the assassination in advance.  I dare you to disprove that.

LBJ didn't know about the assassination in advance.  I dare you to disprove that.

The Muchmore film and the Zapruder film are 100% consistent.  I dare you to disprove that .

[John Iacoletti]

LBJ didn't know about the assassination in advance.  I dare you to disprove that.

I think you're starting to see the problem.  The inability to disprove something tells you nothing about whether it's true or not.

The Muchmore film and the Zapruder film are 100% consistent.  I dare you to disprove that .

Well now you're watering down your original claim, which was that they show the EXACT same headshot.  "Consistent" just means that you can't rule something out.

[Steve Thompson]

Well now you're watering down your original claim, which was that they show the EXACT same headshot.  "Consistent" just means that you can't rule something out.

John, honestly, I don't think we need to engage Failure Analysis Associates or the Jet Propulsion Laboratory to tell us that the Muchmore film shows exactly the same thing as Zapruder film... albeit from a different angle.

If Muchmore showed a different headshot than Zapruder - conspiracy theorists and Robert Groden and all the rest would have been shouting it from the house tops for 50+ years.

I heard a comedian once say "what's the greatest evidence that Elvis really is dead ?  If he were alive and could see the idiots that are impersonating him and not coming running out of hiding then I'm pretty sure he's dead..."

[John Iacoletti]

If Muchmore showed a different headshot than Zapruder - conspiracy theorists and Robert Groden and all the rest would have been shouting it from the house tops for 50+ years.

I'm sure they would.  That, however, doesn't demonstrate that they show the EXACT same headshot.  Honestly, if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot.

[Steve Thompson]

I'm sure they would.  That, however, doesn't demonstrate that they show the EXACT same headshot.  Honestly, if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot.

I'm going to have to disagree with you, as I do believe that Muchmore's film and Zapruder's film show the EXACT same headshot, and indeed the EXACT same scene - obviously taking in to account the different perspectives of the photographers. 

I can see NO inconsistencies. 
I can see 100% correlation between things like:
    *  JFK's head being positioned forward and to the left
    *  Jackie's right elbow immediately behind JFK's left shoulder
    *  Moorman's position in the background
    *  Kellerman's head pointed straight ahead

As far as your "if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot" comment... seriously ?  There's clearly a halo of blood and brain matter ejecting from JFK's head just as is seen in Zapruder.

I think a reasonable person can conclude that both photo's are depicting the EXACT same event and the EXACT same instant.
I believe the photo comparison below is strong evidence of this.

If you believe this is open to doubt, once again - prove why your doubts are founded in fact - and not just the "we can never really know anything with 100% certainty" thing...

[Steve M. Galbraith]

But the Muchmore film doesn't show the first two shots - certainly not the critical second or the SBT. And it shows a limited part of the assassination scene.

Just because it appears to support the head shot shown in the Z-film doesn't mean it corroborates what is shown there. As in: Where did the head shot in the Muchmore film come from?  But it does - importantly - show that the blood/brain tissue didn't exit the back of the head. I don't see that in the film.

It seems to me that saying a film doesn't contradict the Zapruder film - and there's nothing I can see in Muchmore that does - is not the same as saying it corroborates it.

We still come back to the issue that if the Z film was altered then the alterationists were greatly risking being exposed by the potential revelations in other films. Did they not worry about that possibility? Is there any evidence they did?