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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 01:22:19 PM »
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I finally read it.  However, their are no direct quotes from Marina stating that the weekend prior to the assassination was the last time that she saw Lee.  It is the journalist telling the story, not Marina.

Bingo!  We have a winner.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 01:40:29 PM »
Read the article, Dan.  It does not quote Marina saying that the last time she saw Lee was the previous week.  Read the article before you reference it.

Yup,  The article stated but Marina wasn't quoted as saying it.
The point I was trying to make was how the patsy-fication of Oswald
doesn't make any sense without Oswald's actions.  Hypothetically speaking
if he didn't go home that Thursday and left for work the next day from his rooming
house, they still believe the rifle got in the building by invisible hands of some sort.
The same invisible hands that shaped his destiny.
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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and framing a patsy begins?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 01:50:59 PM »


Why didn't they easily coerce witnesses to testify they saw Oswald and only Oswald shooting from the 6th floor window? Why didn't they just sew things thing up tight right from the offset? Lets not forget about the unspoken witnesses. Those who would have seen Oswald somewhere else that Thursday night and Friday morning if he wasn't at the Paines. They would need to be coerced easily as well.

I think that a witness existed who said she had a full conversation with Oswald in a fast food restaurant on the night before the assasination, I will try locate the link.
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 01:53:36 PM »

I agree.  This is the first assassination of a political figure that I know of, where two targets
had to be in place at the same time
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Yes - we see the President approaching.  There is no bubble top on the limo and no SS
on the back bumper.  Is it a go? 

That depends - Is the patsy in place?  Is the evidence to frame the patsy in place, as well?

Well, the evidence is planted but last night the patsy was struck with a bowel disorder.
He's in the hospital.

Do it anyway ... We'll still make him look like he did it.



With Vice President Johnson on the phone telling the Parkland doctors that they must have the patient discharged by Friday morning.
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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 05:22:50 PM »
Read the article, Dan.  It does not quote Marina saying that the last time she saw Lee was the previous week.  Read the article before you reference it.

Bill read this testimony of Oswalds Mother the article might have been translated from Marina, by an old lady whom you met https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0078b.htm 
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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 05:23:54 PM »
Good point.  Both Marina and Frazier have freely expressed doubts about Oswald's guilt.  But we must believe they are still too scared to set the record straight by confirming that Oswald didn't go to Irving on Thursday.  LOL I thought I had heard it all by now from CTers but that one is a real whopper.  Conspiracy theory in this case is, at its core, a child-like faith that anyone who provides evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect and a liar.  Even if these same people are relied upon in other instances to support his innocence.  Like Frazier and his two-foot long bag.  Imagine the plan behind that one in this context.  They get Frazier to lie about Oswald going to Irving and carrying a long bag to frame Oswald but then he won't confirm that the bag (which would not have existed at all if Oswald didn't actually make that trip) was long enough to carry the rifle.  The entire intent of this fabrication.  That is fall on the ground laughing material.

Both Marina and Frazier have freely expressed doubts about Oswald's guilt.  But we must believe they are still too scared to set the record straight ... 

Scared??.....  Maybe.... But also reluctant to upset their lives. IOW   They may be content to leave the sleeping dog lie.

They both recognize that they are mere "piss ants" ( as LBJ called us)   What's to be gained by "rocking the boat"?


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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 09:43:38 PM »
Bill read this testimony of Oswalds Mother the article might have been translated from Marina, by an old lady whom you met https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0078b.htm

Hey, Mick.  It does seem Mrs Paine did set up the Life interview but while giving Lee compliments
on whether or not he was a good family man she states ...  A normal family man.  He plays with his
children. Last night he fed June.  He watches television and just normal family things.  - Top of page
145. 
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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 10:07:27 PM »
Hey, Mick.  It does seem Mrs Paine did set up the Life interview but while giving Lee compiments
on whether or not he was a good family man she states ...  A normal family man.  He plays with his
children. Last night he fed June.  He watches television and just normal family things.  - Top of page
145. 

Incidentally on Page 149 Lee's mother states as she was waiting in the courthouse to see her son   
someone came up to her and said your visit will be delayed but we have picked up another suspect.
Anyone know who the suspect was?  Molina?  This would be Saturday the day after.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0081a.htm

Yes I read that Dan, we have a lot of conflicting sections between the article and the testimony, it would seem that she not only organised the life interview but on the first day 22.11 she dictated and jumbled up some of Marinas words from Russian to English to the reporters, I note your topic where she said he fed his Daughter last night, according to Margurites testimony, but in the article as you know it does not imply that he was in Irving on 21.11. I would suggest that this section came from the Russian translator directly dictated to her by Marina on the 23.11, confusing stuff no doubt, such a pity this interpreter was no reachable for testimony
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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
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