BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[John Iacoletti]

There is nothing "alleged" about Oswald's denial of the curtain rods.

Of course it?s alleged. The interrogations weren?t recorded.

  It is a matter of record for which there is zero evidence that anyone made this up.  He denied it to more than one person.  It is just CTer dishonesty to suggest that it might, maybe, possibly didn't happen because they don't like it.  As for your "explanation" of his denial, it makes no sense.  How exactly would Oswald think it improved his situation to deny that he carried a long package containing curtain rods when he would have known that he had driven to work with Frazier who had seen a long package in his possession?  In your bizarre explanation, Oswald is denying that he has exculpatory evidence that he knew would assist his cause and that a witness (Frazier) could confirm!  Instead he denies it.  That is fall on the ground laughable.  But then it gets even better.  The super fantasy conspiracy swoops into action and recovers the curtain rods at the TSBD which they then successfully cover up.  But ooops.  Five months later they decide to bring them to light (and conveniently fill out a form!) to test them for - wait for it - Oswald's prints on items they would have known in this scenario that Oswald carried and that they would have every reason not to want to associate with him by, for example, testing them for his prints.  Good grief.  You can't possibly believe that nonsense in which everyone is acting against their own self interest.

All of these verbal gymnastics to try to deflect and avoid discussing any possible legitimate reason that evidence could be submitted before it was found.

[Alan Ford]

[Alan Ford]

Of course it?s alleged. The interrogations weren?t recorded.

All of these verbal gymnastics to try to deflect and avoid discussing any possible legitimate reason that evidence could be submitted before it was found.

 

-------------and that a piece of evidence could be released from the crime lab twice (March 24 & 26)!
-------------and that 2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage would be tested for Mr Oswald's prints!

[Alan Ford]

Reclaiming History, LNer style:



 

[Alan Ford]

So!

Those who insist that Mr Oswald brought a rifle into work on the morning of the assassination find themselves in the humiliating position of being unable to explain the sequence of dates on the original DPD Crime Scene Search Section form. The noise from Mr Smith----------and the silence from Messrs Nickerson & May-----------have only made their failure all the more wretchedly evident to the rest of us!

We are still left with:
---------------2 curtain rods found otherwhere than in the Paine garage, submitted 3/15/64 for testing for Mr Oswald's prints, and not released from the lab until 3/24/64
---------------2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage 3/23/64.

2 + 2 = 4 

Now! Can someone suggest a place other than the Texas School Book Depository where the first pair of curtain rods might have been found?

NB: This alternative location must be one that will have warranted testing for Mr Oswald's prints.

 

[Richard Smith]

So!

Those who insist that Mr Oswald brought a rifle into work on the morning of the assassination find themselves in the humiliating position of being unable to explain the sequence of dates on the original DPD Crime Scene Search Section form. The noise from Mr Smith----------and the silence from Messrs Nickerson & May-----------have only made their failure all the more wretchedly evident to the rest of us!

We are still left with:
---------------2 curtain rods found otherwhere than in the Paine garage, submitted 3/15/64 for testing for Mr Oswald's prints, and not released from the lab until 3/24/64
---------------2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage 3/23/64.

2 + 2 = 4 

Now! Can someone suggest a place other than the Texas School Book Depository where the first pair of curtain rods might have been found?

NB: This alternative location must be one that will have warranted testing for Mr Oswald's prints.

 

Ruth Paine's garage as her testimony confirms and the exhibit numbers on your form indicate.  Oswald himself denied having any curtain rods that day.  You are claiming that your hero lied against his own self interest if all he had that day was a couple of curtain rods.  And he would have done so knowing that Frazier would confirm he had a long bag that Oswald had told him contained curtain rods.  So Oswald not only lies against his own self interest but knows there is another witness who will confirm he is lying instead of doing the obvious thing in his own self interest and directing the police to this bag that would lend itself to his innocence if it contained anything other than the rifle. 

[Alan Ford]

Ruth Paine's garage as her testimony confirms and the exhibit numbers on your form indicate.  Oswald himself denied having any curtain rods that day.  You are claiming that your hero lied against his own self interest if all he had that day was a couple of curtain rods.  And he would have done so knowing that Frazier would confirm he had a long bag that Oswald had told him contained curtain rods.  So Oswald not only lies against his own self interest but knows there is another witness who will confirm he is lying instead of doing the obvious thing in his own self interest and directing the police to this bag that would lend itself to his innocence if it contained anything other than the rifle.

 

The 2 curtain rods submitted for fingerprinting on 15 March were not signed back out until 24 March.

On the evening of 23 March, Agent Howlett found 2 curtain rods in the Paine garage.

Now! Attend closely to what I am about to say, Mr Smith, for if you allow its truth to truly sink in you will stop making a fool of yourself:

23 March comes before 24 March.

Therefore the 2 curtain rods which Agent Howlett removed from the Paine garage cannot be the same 2 curtain rods he had submitted 8 days earlier for fingerprinting.

 

[Alan Ford]

Friends, for years the LNers have been crying, 'If Oswald brought curtain rods to work that morning, then where are the curtain rods?'

They now claim that the 2 curtain rods submitted by Agent Howlett for fingerprinting on 15 March came from the Paine garage.

They're right! 

These 2 curtain rods did indeed originally come from the Paine garage. But they left there on the morning of the assassination, when Mr Oswald carried them in a long, folded-down bag over to the Randle home. Mr Oswald brought these 2 curtain rods to the Texas School Book Depository that morning.

As Mr Michael Paine let slip in his WC testimony, there were in fact 4 curtain rods in the Paine garage
------------Mr Oswald took 2
------------2 remained behind.

The 2 curtain rods taken by Mr Oswald showed up and were sent for fingerprinting. They had shown up at a location that warranted such a test. Not the Paine garage. Not Mexico City. Not Graceland.

Subsequent to these 2 curtain rods' being submitted to Lieutenant Day at the crime lab, the 2 remaining curtain rods were removed on-the-record from the Paine garage. They were not sent for fingerprinting--------any more than any apples found in the Paine kitchen were. A positive test for Mr Oswald's prints would have had zero probative value. It would, in short, have been perfectly meaningless!

The LNers find themselves routed on this issue because the proven existence of 4 curtain rods (2 in the crime lab at 7.30pm 3/23/64; 2 in the Paine garage at 7.30pm 3/23/64) deprives them of their rabid 'No curtain rods showed up ha ha ha!' cry. 

Not surprisingly, they're very bad losers. Having your gullibility smashed on the altar of hard evidence is never pleasant!