BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Jerry Freeman]

As for Mr Oswald's alleged denial of the curtain rods, I have already answered that point multiple times in this thread:
 he realised how the curtain rods had been used to frame him, so he made a calculated decision to deny having brought any long bag to work that morning.

At least admit that this is pure conjecture.
 

[Alan Ford]

At least admit that this is pure conjecture.
 

I did use the word 'alleged', Mr Freeman!

If Mr Oswald denied having told Mr Frazier he brought curtain rods to work in a long bag, then it is not difficult to understand why he might have done so.

Of course, it is very possible that Mr Oswald confirmed to Captain Fritz about the curtain rods only to have his confirmation suppressed (just as his claim to have gone outside to watch the Presidential parade was suppressed).

We must proceed from the hard evidence (what the Crime Scene Search Section form tells us) to the soft evidence (what Mr Oswald may have said in custody). Hard evidence is king!

[Richard Smith]

I did use the word 'alleged', Mr Freeman!

If Mr Oswald denied having told Mr Frazier he brought curtain rods to work in a long bag, then it is not difficult to understand why he might have done so.

Of course, it is very possible that Mr Oswald confirmed to Captain Fritz about the curtain rods only to have his confirmation suppressed (just as his claim to have gone outside to watch the Presidential parade was suppressed).

We must proceed from the hard evidence (what the Crime Scene Search Section form tells us) to the soft evidence (what Mr Oswald may have said in custody). Hard evidence is king!

Again, there is nothing "alleged" about Oswald's denial that he had any curtain rods.  He made the denial in front of more than just Fritz.  It is dishonest to suggest there is any doubt whatsoever about this.  And your explanation for that lie if he had any curtain rods is laughable.  If Oswald had curtain rods instead of a rifle in the bag, then it would assist his cause.  He would have every incentive to acknowledge them including the fact that he knew Frazier could confirm his story.   In your ludicrious ad hoc narrative Oswald lies against his own self-interest, the authorities successfully cover up the discovery of his curtain rods, but then inexplicably five months later they voluntarily bring them to light to check for Oswald's prints!!!  LOL.  And they fill out a form to document.  Do you not understand how absurd that narrative is?  And if there were any doubt, Ruth Paine confirms the curtain rods at issue were in her garage the entire time and they have the same exhibit number noted on your form as the one assigned by the WC.  Get a grip.

[Alan Ford]

Again, there is nothing "alleged" about Oswald's denial that he had any curtain rods.  He made the denial in front of more than just Fritz.  It is dishonest to suggest there is any doubt whatsoever about this.  And your explanation for that lie if he had any curtain rods is laughable.  If Oswald had curtain rods instead of a rifle in the bag, then it would assist his cause.  He would have every incentive to acknowledge them including the fact that he knew Frazier could confirm his story.   In your ludicrious ad hoc narrative Oswald lies against his own self-interest, the authorities successfully cover up the discovery of his curtain rods, but then inexplicably five months later they voluntarily bring them to light to check for Oswald's prints!!!  LOL.  And they fill out a form to document.  Do you not understand how absurd that narrative is?  And if there were any doubt, Ruth Paine confirms the curtain rods at issue were in her garage the entire time and they have the same exhibit number noted on your form as the one assigned by the WC.  Get a grip.

Do let us know when you have a rational explanation for this, Mr Smith!



Tick-tock!

[Richard Smith]

Do let us know when you have a rational explanation for this, Mr Smith!



Tick-tock!

I've said my last word on the topic as you simply post the form over and over and over again like some type of automated response system.  Here is a suggestion.  Send your form to the NY Times, Wash Post or some other news outlet setting forth your case for a conspiracy/frame up.  Have them review it as a neutral party.  Get back to us with the results.  If you have confidence that you have evidence of a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, then you should make the effort.  If, however, you are just a krank who doesn't really believe his own nonsense, then just continue to post it here.  Good luck!

[Walt Cakebread]

So!

Those who insist that Mr Oswald brought a rifle into work on the morning of the assassination find themselves in the humiliating position of being unable to explain the sequence of dates on the original DPD Crime Scene Search Section form. The noise from Mr Smith----------and the silence from Messrs Nickerson & May-----------have only made their failure all the more wretchedly evident to the rest of us!

We are still left with:
---------------2 curtain rods found otherwhere than in the Paine garage, submitted 3/15/64 for testing for Mr Oswald's prints, and not released from the lab until 3/24/64
---------------2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage 3/23/64.

2 + 2 = 4 

Now! Can someone suggest a place other than the Texas School Book Depository where the first pair of curtain rods might have been found?

NB: This alternative location must be one that will have warranted testing for Mr Oswald's prints.

 

 Can someone suggest a place other than the Texas School Book Depository where the first pair of curtain rods might have been found?

The curtain rods were simply part of the ruse .....  Lee went to Irving on Thursday and returned carrying a 27 inch paper sack that could have carried a weapon ( if it weren't closely scrutinized)....   That's exactly what he wanted Frazier to believe....So he could tell the police that he's observed Lee carrying a long paper sack that morning.   I believe that Lee was carrying curtain rods AND his lunch in that flimsy light weight paper sack .....

So logically he would have carried the flimsy paper sack cupped in his hand that damp and rainy morning..... ( to prevent his lunch from bursting out the bottom of that flimsy paper sack) When he arrived at the loading dock he removed the sandwich and orange from the sack and stuck them in his jacket pockets....and then stashed the paper sack and curtain rods in some cubbyhole before entering the building....

[Alan Ford]

I've said my last word on the topic as you simply post the form over and over and over again like some type of automated response system.  Here is a suggestion.  Send your form to the NY Times, Wash Post or some other news outlet setting forth your case for a conspiracy/frame up.  Have them review it as a neutral party.  Get back to us with the results.  If you have confidence that you have evidence of a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, then you should make the effort.  If, however, you are just a krank who doesn't really believe his own nonsense, then just continue to post it here.  Good luck!

Mr Smith, still unable to explain away the hard evidence that 4 curtain rods were in play as of 7.30pm 23 March 1964, stamps his foot and----------throws in the towel! 

As we bid fond farewell to poor frustrated Mr Smith, we wonder to ourselves which doughty spirit from the ranks of the Warren Gullibles shall next emerge to have a shot at the problem...

Mr Nickerson?

Mr Galbraith?

Mr Navarro?

How about you, Mr von Pein? Go on, be a hero---you and your pals' claim that 'No curtain rods were ever found' needs urgent rescuing! 

[Alan Ford]

Question for Mr Tim Nickerson!

On March 7, your explanation for the Crime Scene Search Section form went as follows:

"Howlett was well aware that he had removed the curtain rods on the 15th and was just going through the motions during the deposition for demonstration purposes. There was no need for him to mention that he was familiar with the two rods and their location because he knew that Jenner was already aware of those facts himself."

Do you still stand over this explanation? If so, do you think Agent Howlett was also aware that he had not yet received the two curtain rods back from Lieutenant Day and so could not possibly be about to find them in the Paine garage?

Thanking you in advance for your resumed input, good sir! 

Bumped for Mr Nickerson!